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8 year old bahaviour

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davyatsea · 13/09/2013 13:27

DW and I have had behavioural issues with ds, now aged 8 for quite some time. We have sought advice our local school nurse , our local doctors and CAMHS to name but a few. CAMHS refuse to see us again as DS told them everything was okay. DW sought counselling through Talking Change. Both DW and I have received couple counselling through an Employee Assistance Program. Admittedly, I haven’t sought any counselling for myself, but if recommended, this is something that I could attempt to do. The problem with all the avenues we have tried is that DS gives the impression that there is no problem at all. He excels at school, and has already made a positive impression in Year 4. He is a member of a local football team, and despite a shaky start, is a positive and proactive member of the team. He attends cubs, and won ‘cub of the week’ this week. All in all, he appears a well adjusted child of his age. Meanwhile, the whole family, including dd, aged 2 1/2 have to fit in around ds's social schedule. We wouldn't mind if things were okay at home.

However, at home, things are different. When dw and I asked ds to do things, such as brushing teeth, washing when required, going to bed nicely, eating meals with us as a family, and helping dw with bags when asked, it is a complete battle to say the least. My working pattern is such that I am not around as much as I would like, and I do work away 2/3 nights per week. This means that dw has the majority of the childcare, meal planning and preparation and running of the house. When dw picks up both children from school/nursery, ds runs into the house, expecting dw to sort out dd and bring all the bags in. When dw asks ds to help, he point blank refuses. He is difficult with food and meals. After evening clubs, he comes home demanding a full meal prepared for him (despite having tea before going out), and does not accept what he is given. Last night, I prepared a decent supper, placed it nicely on the table next to him. Not a word of thanks, but came through the kitchen demanding crisps (8:15 at night). When I refused, I was called b*h. He refused to get into the shower when asked, instead playing with DW's phone, he shouted, swore and threw items across the lounge, including DW's phone. Eventually I had to escort him into the shower and he was shouting as loud as possible attempting to wake dd up. This has been typical of his behaviour over the last week or so especially since he started back at school. Yesterday, he jumped into the car for a lift to school and had not brushed his teeth, put his shoes or coat on, or even picked up his school bag. It was like he expected his ‘servant’ to do it for him.

Life is such a battle, and both dw and I feel out of control with things. dw has tried so hard to seek help, and has at time felt that I was not fully on board, hence me posting on here again. We have no family locally, the nearest being DW's family three hours away. They have their own issues, although, to be fair, DW's mum cannot do enough for the children – especially DS when she comes down. Because she is the only one who ‘helps’ she expects so much re-assurance afterwards, where is it dw who bears the brunt of it all when ‘Nana’ goes home, and I work full time. DW has a demanding job as well, and we both need some advice on how to deal with DS's behaviour. The feeling we both have is that it is ‘our fault’. The question is where do we go from here? I admit, that I can be stricter, but I have tried to be softer, and yet feel I am getting nowhere with DS. Only this week, DW said that it was like dealing with a toddler, such was the micromanaging she had to do with DS. To put it bluntly, she has had to toughen up, which she has done. I just wish DS would respect her more, and do as we both ask without the fight or arguements.
Apologies for so much detail, but I wanted to throw all the cards on the table and hope for some positive advice that I can help and support dw with. To me, life shouldn't be hard as this. Many thanks.

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MrsPnut · 13/09/2013 13:42

From my experience of dealing with a difficult child (who is now 16), we had to decide what our non negotiables were and stick to them. Sometimes, you spend all your time picking at small things because you're so fed up of the whole behaviour.

Your son going in the house and not helping unload the car is irritating but imo not the end of the world but not attending to personal hygiene is one of my non negotiables.
I would also have a printed meal plan that covers every meal (let your son help think of it) and stick it on the fridge. When he kicks off wanting a full meal then direct him to the meal plan which will tell him what his evening snack will be that night.

And your DW is right, sometimes it is like dealing with a very big toddler. They have such a surge of hormones and emotions that they don't have the maturity to deal with and it becomes overwhelming so they tantrum.

davyatsea · 13/09/2013 13:47

I know what you mean. Some things you just have to let go, but no sooner has our son got in the house after refusing to help, he is making demand after demand, such that our daughter is being ignored. If I wsa home at the same time, we could share the load, but it has got to the point that DW dreads the time between finishing work at school run time and me coming home. Having said that, I am finishing early today to pick up kids so that DW can meet some ofher friends after work.

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davyatsea · 13/09/2013 13:49

As for meal plans, we have tried that, and tried to involve ds, but he s just not interested. Some would say that he should just eat what we eat, but thats easier said than done.

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girliefriend · 13/09/2013 13:56

How much responsibility does he have?

At 8 he should be able to make himself toast or a snack if he is hungry, run himself a bath, be helping with some chores etc.

I wouldn't be pandering to his demands, if he wants something he needs to be able to do it himself, I also wouldn't drag him to the shower - if he didn't independently shower I would have a consequence ready ie no pocket money, no wend treat, no friends over, early night to bed - lights straight out, whatever is most likely to make an impression on him that you are not mucking about.

It sounds like he is getting a fair amount of negative attention from the bad behaviour so I would ignore what I could, when he plays up give him a choice and stick to the consequence.

Also look at ways you can improve the positive attention he gets, spending some decent time with him. Be careful not to label him.

Fwiw I am a bit Confused at why you think camhs would be interested as he sounds like a naughty but otherwise normal 8yo Grin

Read 'how to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk.'

lisylisylou · 13/09/2013 16:33

I don't know if it helps but going through the same with ds who is 9. My ds goes to jujitsu and his behaviour is fantastic there and at school and I know what you mean about outside of the house. My ds has a will of iron and I've always butted heads with him but last night and this morning I've just been in tears over him. My ds was bullied at school and always makes out to be the victim as well. He is having psychotherapy art and sound workshops but talking to the school they believe a lot of it is immaturity. However, he just has these meltdowns and cries at school and takes everything as though he's a victim! However, I have the same issues as you about hygiene and seem to be spending everyday just ranting. My Dh is constantly away with work. i was thinking about giving my ds more responsibility. Today, I have been through another meltdown and told him for every negative behaviour it's 15 minutes in his bedroom and he has to give me a toy to confiscate and good behaviour earns the toy back! The only reason is that at least hes out of my way, i have chance to control myself and i am not liable then to smack him!! I am at my wits end as well and I just feel that they must go through some sort of confidence spurt and trying it on spurt at that age!! Just thought it might help you to know I'm going through the same

lisylisylou · 13/09/2013 20:17

Just thought I'd let you know that I have found the preteen forum under being a parent section. My ds seems perfectly normal now lol!!

Kiwiinkits · 17/09/2013 05:36

Another vote for 'how to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk.' it may be the best 15 quid you've spent on a book ever.

Also,
kids of this age THRIVE on extra responsibility. The book 'how to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk' includes some ways you can get this to happen.

Madamecastafiore · 17/09/2013 05:53

He wouldn't be going to any clubs if he were mine. He also would not be pandered to in terms of eating.

Basically you are all running around after him getting stressed whilst he is lording it over you knowing how to pull your strings.

If he gets in the car no shoes, no bags etc take him to school like that (speak to teacher first), if he depends crisps just say no, have a banana and then don't engage.

You are facilitating his behaviour and it sound behavioural rather than a mental health issue so I can see why CAMHS do not want to get involved.

davyatsea · 19/09/2013 13:41

Many thanks for all your advice so far. I've been off this site for a few days so haven't had a chance to catch up. Looking at some of the comments above, ds does fit the stereotype of a normal 9 year old boy, who is extremely clever in some areas. What doesn't always help is that dd, aged 2 has a habit of waking up early, disturbing the whole house. Both kids share a bedroom, which we are trying to resolve (as soon as we are in a position to move to bigger house.

As for responsibility, ds accepts tasks for rewards - not unreasonable to be fair. Problem is that his expectations are much higher than we can sustain, and he expects a lot of reward for not a lot of effort. He thrives on the reward chart, but argues about how it should work.

Saying that, he has been better this week at washing - not quite the battle it was last week. It is just taking a lot of persuasion and patience to get things done. This weekend, he is on a camp with his cub group, so hopefully that wil teach him a bit of independance and maturity. Not sure if he has fully understood what it all entails, but from my own experience, I'm sure it will do him a lot of good.

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davyatsea · 19/09/2013 13:45

Interestingly enough, with regard to the food, last night he didn't eat all his tea - again. After coming in frm playing after tea, he expected another meal prepared for him. Seeing as its the week before payday and there was not a lot of food in the house anyway, he was told quite firmly what he was allowed to have. He took it quite well and accepted this despite a small protest. Hopefully this wil continue after the fridge is reflled at the weekend. Less snacking and the food around the house will last a bit longer.
As for his leftovers - they were added to my lunch today, so nothing went to waste. Considering the economy these days, we can ill afford to waste stuff.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 21/09/2013 19:51

I think MadamCF makes a lot of sense.
I would agree with taking clubs/important toys away until behaviour is improved. It is extremely difficult (and probably more upsetting for the parent), but boy does it work!

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