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I dont know what to do with my 10yr old

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Starmummy · 16/06/2006 21:17

I'm at my wits end and as I write this it seems to be trivial but to me things have just escalated and I dont know how to handle things. for months ds has been very cheeky, lots of whatever and computer says no. I might add he doesnt watch these programmes at home so its coming from school.
Over the last few weeks so much has happened. 2 incidents that were accidents but both this week and both expensive - he left the freezer door open that was about £100 worth of stuff and then today he broke the shower or at least the bit that holds the shower head by yanking so hard it came apart. DH tells me that yesterday ds helped at tuckshop at cubs and was giving the boys more sweets than they paid for. DH explained this was like stealing and Ds promised he wouldnt do it again.
Previously ds has filled shampoo bottle with water after playing with the bubbles (a big bottle from costco). He tells lies like today he said he was playing cricket implying it was for the school but it wasnt it was a games lesson. He is rude to his grandmother when he goes for tea once a week, that causes seperate issues as I get lectured on how to make my child behave. There are just so many small things all the time. He eats and speaks very badly and he knows this is wrong and lazy.
I do try very hard to praise and not to alwys be saying dont but nothing seems to work.
Any ideas please someone?

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DumbledoresGirl · 16/06/2006 21:21

My ds1 is 10 next week and some of what you say is very familiar, although with my ds, it is very much mood orientated, eg he gets into a bad/silly mood and then some of the behaviour you have mentioned happens.

Is there anything you can ban him from that would really make a difference? With my ds, it is his gameboy, or playing on the computer, or watching The Simpsons. I find he is still young enough for me to be able to say, "If you don't improve XXX will be taken away from you".

But it is getting harder, and it is getting a bit frightening too, so you have my sympathies!

Starmummy · 16/06/2006 22:02

I've just collected him from scouts (they go at 10.5 to get the hang of it), it was his first time and he came out asking for a) sweets b) to go right now and play with his friends we were giving a lift to and c) could he have coke for supper!!! Grrrr
So being the bad mum I am it was no to all 3 and pointing out that he is only ever allowed coke on very rare occassions and the only reason we have any in the house is left over from a bar b q.
DG I think you are right about taking something away, I'm pondering on what will make the best impact ready for the next time. I did reassure him that I knew he hadnt broken the shower on purpose - it was 5 mins before we left the house literally but had he possibly been a bit heavy handed? Crikey the elaborate story that followed made me thing he doth protest too much, but I left it because I didnt want to cause a scene. Is that right? I spend all my time doubting myself and my ability as a parent now.
Fingers crossed for you and yours DG.

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bouncyball · 18/06/2006 19:36

Hi only have a 2.6yr old so what do I know but dread stories like this. I think you're right to choose not to follow on with the shower argument. Definately pick and choose. I'm a teacher and the word I use with all classes I've taught (recently yr6) is respect. I provide them with a definition and what I expect from them. When someone talks you give eye contact and listen. It doesn't mean agree with them but listen to them. If you disagree you present your argument without offending the person you are talking too. You respect property by recognising it has a value to others. (we might not agree with it but the owner does) I then reward good examples of this with points that earn rewards. Maybe you could try money. So rather than giving pocket money you take away for bad behaviour, they earn for good behaviour. Don't agree a figure and be generous to start with so the incentive is there to continue. Then reward away. (even the smallest thing, smiles etc) Have a sml pocket book to write down each value you can give to them at the end of the week. Make sure you agree to do something that they want to change about you to show you are willing to talk/discuss and compromise. If it works and you get change, after s few weeks say you will trust them to be respectful now and just give them the money in advance. However, if they regress you'll introduce the system again. You do have to make it attractive to them though. If money is an issue reward with points that can earn a treat they really want. Trainers, day out etc.
I don't agree with removal of toys etc because they tend to dig their heals in and say they don't want it anyway or use a friends. Also its about teaching them how to function in an adult world.

After all that I'll say again I don't have a 10yr old so that was either utter drivel or an objective non-involved point of view.
Hope it was helpful.

KommandantColditz · 18/06/2006 19:51

Starmummy, you seem very angry about him asking for things, as if he shouldn't ask. I think it is quite normal for children this age to see how much they can wheedle out of you!

Starmummy · 18/06/2006 20:42

Oh Kommandant, you are so right, he does ask for things as kids are wont to do but I feel I just cant handle it. It seems to be every hour of every day and I'm not sure I can keep saying no. Foolishly (with hindsight) I had what I thought was a great idea. I bought a box of goal cards - the football cards they trade - with the idea either a single card or a packet (5 cards) could be handed out as praise/rewards, to help me retain the positive not the negative. I've failed the box is still half full ie 20 packs left and the world cup is nearly over.
I know its meant to be me in control but I really feeel like I have lost it big time. Any other help for me please?

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NotAnOtter · 18/06/2006 20:47

Starmummy my ds2 is 10 in october and just awful atm... lies ,moody,tantrums more like a spoiled toddler.
He seems totally egocentric and can only think about self self self...
He is making me and dp miserable and dp keeps saying he finds all the odd behaviour depressing. Maybe its just a boy/age thing ..i dont know but it is driving me nuts...sorry i cannot help but i can empathise!

Starmummy · 18/06/2006 20:53

BB, I'm glad to hear form someone who handles this age of children but not as a parent. He does try hard for his teacher at school but not so much with the homework although he is distraught if he thinks it wont be completed in time.
We have discussed respect and how in some circumstances nobody is right or wrong but just have different opions and we are all entitled to them without disrepecting somebody elses choice.

Not sure about the money, I'm not very good at keeping it up. I will bear it in mind as an option. This is what worries me that I see it as my fault at not coping, not being disciplined enough to keep going with the scheme I choose. Although I did with the footie cards and I did give them out for things such as good manners and volunteering to do homework and stuff like that. But as you can see from the previous post although I tried to be fair and even handed I dont seem to have got through many cards. Although DH has told Ds that tomorrow morning for school he gets a pack for each 5 mins he is early and a pack taken away for each 5 mins late. So we shall see.

Have been out of the house all day today at a football tournament so Ds got 2 packs of cards for good behaviour and goal scoring, had forgotten about the shower. Also DH says its not so serious so maybe I do just over react to everything????? Please keep me calm and sane.....

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Starmummy · 18/06/2006 20:58

Notanotter, I do sympathise and I'm sorry to say I dont know how to help but believe me I'm with you in spirit willing you on to get through this.
Its terrible isnt it. I sat on the sofa last night and looked at a photo of Ds when he was 9, he had such a lovely happy smile and I told him today I miss those smiles and you know what? He tried today to smile at me and be kind. It made me so happy and I told him. He beamed - and me too. Maybe you could try that? I do think they are still cuddly little lost boys underneath. lol

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bouncyball · 18/06/2006 21:37

I found at school that peer pressure makes them behave in funny ways and that on a one-one basis you see a softer side. Maybe he's trying to assert himself and live up to a school image of what parent relationships should be. Has he got a friend who gets everything? Also he's probably got loads of hormones rushing around inside of him deciding which bit of him to hassle next. If he's seen the sex education video they have in schools (Y6) maybe thats thrown up loads of emotions he's trying to cope with. I don't think its about being the great parent that copes with everything thats thrown at us just about trying to put yourself in his shoes and not reacting to everything. My mum and brother did this and it didn't get them everywhere. I'm sure in reality its much harder than me sitting her in my study typing it in peace and quiet with my two toddlers asleep in bed thank you very much.
We tried something at school once to destress ourselves. Can't quote who's idea it was forgotten the author but this stayed with me.

imagine you have a rucksack on your back that you can't remove. Everytime someone says something nice to you, a compliment or you smile and do something nice for someone else or you give yourself 5 minutes to enjoy a drink or a passing cloud you can add a gold coin to your rucksack. However when the opposite happens and you rush around grumping, getting tired and having arguments gold coins are removed from the sack. The moral is too spend time on golden moments which you spend on a happy healthy life style.

IDEALISTIC!! hard to put into practice in the real world but it did make me think about smiling and taking 5 more often and also about not stealing coins from other people!!

Tortington · 18/06/2006 21:49

well seems to me he doesn't know the value of things?

i dont punish for accidents even if they are expensive - the punishment will affect the whole family anyway - ie. no we cant do that/go there as we can't afford it - just had t pay out XXX to fix the shower etc.

i would shout and punish for disrespectful behaviour.

my children have chores. they live here its only fair. if they want some money - they do an extra chore for instance - my girl wants money for her mobile phone.

she has tried to get a paperround but to no avail. I will not let her do babysitting - i think its too much responsability for a 13 yr old and there are sefety implications that i am unhappy with.

so after we discussed this she still needs the money and i came to the decision that she should. tidy her bedroom - not just an ordinary tidy - but a shit hot spotless tidy for which she wasn't going to get paid - but without which she wouldnt get the money! she must tidy the bathroom and the toilet - this means clean the toilet itself inside and out. sink bath floors tiles.
hall stairs and landing - we do not have a hoover! lobby.

she agreed.

if my boy had been disrespectful - cubs or scouts wouldnt be an option that week and all other activity would be out too.

no playing out with friends.
bedroom after school - games consoles atc. down stairs. for one night - each time he was disrespectful.

however i have a tone of voice which does not allow this behaviour.
it is a soft low firm voice a deliberate voice which sounds every letter in every word. i dont use it often.

before going to visit older relatives. in the car i always remind my children to say please and thank you. to refuse any money which is offered unless i give them the nod becuase said old person is protesting and being persistantover the money giving.

i tell them to not be boisterous as older people find this disconcerting. i tell them to get a gameboy, book, some other activity to keep themselves occupied whilst me and said old person speak for elongated time.

i remind them not to ask for anything - if they want something to eat - eat it now. As making a sandwich - can be quite a long process for an older person which involves lots of standing.

i remind them that they are a refection of my family and as such i expect a certain standard of behaviour. their behaviour reflects how other people see our family. I will not tolerate other people thinking badly of them when i know they are good people, they let themselves and me and dad down by doing so.

i am infamous for lecturing. i would sit my child down in an instant and give a lecture on good manners and or consideration for others.

punishments should not be drawn out - they lose their effect.

rewards for older children IME ( and i have used other systems) have to be spontanious. therefore they do not attach money with doing thngs they should do.

so for instance. today we went to a car boot. dd bought some roller blades for £2 ( bargain) but they were super heavy to carry for the duration of super big car boot.

ds carried one roller blade for his sister - refused to let me carry it to give im a break ( i'm a laydee!) he paid for a nailvarnish and a bracelet that i bought becuase dh had walked ahead and i had no money on me. he pointed out things for me, walked at my pace, offered to buy things etc. an all round super kid.

so when i got some money off dh when we caught up - i told him he had been super and when he looked at a game for £1 - i bought it.

NotAnOtter · 18/06/2006 21:50

christ custy - can you come and stay over summer???? PLEASE!

Tortington · 18/06/2006 21:52

god no - hate kids!

bouncyball · 19/06/2006 14:35

custardo I do agree that children should not be paid to be respectful but in families were either they do not have that respect culture implanted into family values from word go or they do but do to maybe outside influences its all gone wrong, then I do think you have to use strategies that sound appealing to the 10yr old in order to engage them. Then you would hope that the praise they receive and the nicer family atmosphere becomes reward enough for the behaviour to continue. I hope I can post a message like yours in 8 yrs time but I do think it depends on whether or not children are used to 'yes'(even if that is eventually after negotiation) or a conistent 'NO' and clear boundaries and behaviour expectations from the beginning. My SIL is of the yes camp who wants to be best friends and forever loved by her child and now has horrendous behavioural problems with an 9yr old that runs the household. I hope I've learnt from this and hope I parent with consistent NO's when required.
Starmummy this was about parenting in general and not about you so sorry for taking your thread off at a tangent there.

Starmummy · 19/06/2006 21:12

BB, no worries about going off at a tangent, I love to hear other peoples ideas and experience. Really liked the idea of the rucksack. I'm currently sitting with my imaginary empty sack, having just put Ds to bed explaining if he wants footie tomorrow crikey it finishes so late - that he must get straight to sleep earleir tonight. As I type this I'm listening to jack johnson which ds bought (with my money) for dh for fathers day, he chose it for me not dh as I wanted it for my birthday last week and didnt get it. Not sure how dh feels but I think I've just added a gold coin for general all around niceness from ds.

Have a confession I was of notanotters sil camp ie yes person and am now reaping the error of my ways. Oh the shame of it. If only I had realised earlier...... ah well better late than never.

Custardo - you have awesome parenting abilities Grin! You're right he doenst realise the value of money. I did try by working out all the stuff he does and giving him the money in a weekly amount and when he spent it on sweets he couldnt go to footie or cubs lol, and I even managed to stick to it. Now I see the error of my ways and I'm going to change. I'm not going to be a yes person all the time - that easy life thing best friend it just didnt work. Custardo you are my parenting hero! I hope your kids know how lucky they are.

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