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4.2 year old....current holder of title of 'World's Worst Listener'?

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ThePerfectFather · 02/07/2013 09:26

This is a full-on rant and pretty long but I am just at my wits end.

I know my elder daughter is away with the fairies : she's very creative and imaginative, and has always focused on talking and drawing, both of which she excels at. Her motor skills are, frankly, embarrassingly bad (both ballet and gymnastics classes resulted in the teachers explaining that she is EXTREMELY clumsy and unlikely to progress at all) and 2 trips to A&E (stitches to chin, re-glued head) confirm in my mind that she's, frankly, a klutz. But that's ok, she's good at some stuff and bad at others, like most people. If she's crap at ballet but still enjoys going, then I am happy.

But I am starting to wonder if her lack of improvement in those classes was more down to her inability, or unwillingness, to listen to another person. She is almost willfully incapable of copying someone or following simple instruction, and since school starts in a couple of months, I am really, really starting to worry.

For instance, in her gym class on day one the instructor said "ok, everybody windmill your arms like this" and 15 kids do exactly what she says - even the new kids - but my DD just sticks her arm up with a weird expression on her face and starts talking to the instructor. Hopping on one leg was a total disaster. It's not that she fell over, it's just that when the instructor says "look at me do it" or "copy me" or even looks at ALL THE OTHER KIDS doing it, she gets distracted and starts running around and seems to be unable to copy when shown, or maybe unwilling.

She seems incapable of listening to another person WHEN that person is trying to explain HOW to do something. Even something she wants to know how to do. If it was just her being expressive and individualistic, I wouldn't begrudge her that. I would in fact be secretly extremely pleased that she's independent and strong willed and not just a sheep. But I still want her to learn the fucking alphabet!

I am trying to teach her the alphabet, but she just won't listen. She gets the same part wrong every single time, and won't listen when I correct her. L, M, N, O, P becomes "yemma-yemma-pee" because she won't listen or remember that sequence, or seems to be deliberately refusing to. She can say all the letters, she can repeat that sequence when I ask her to repeat it after me. She can count forever, so it's not a question of not listening or being able to remember. She has an incredible memory for some things, but she just will not copy other people. When I say "copy me" I may as well just be emitting white noise. She glazes over.

Another example, when she asks me to show her how to write a letter, I show her but her attempt to copy it make it seem like she wasn't listening. She wanted to draw an "e" so I showed her where to start the letter, but over 20 or 30 tries she just would not copy me. She always starts the letter "e" at the bottom of the tail and then tries to work backwards and ends up losing her way. Why won't she listen? I try drawing it WITH her but she resists. Her hand physically resists being shown the correct way, and then she gets frustrated and I tell her I'm not going to show her if she doesn't want to learn and then she flounces off.

She is obsessed with putting on her own shoes, but they are ALWAYS on the wrong foot. And I mean 100% of the time. She can say "finished" and without looking I can say "wrong feet" and I'll be right. I have shown her HOW to tell which foot for which shoe, but again - doesn't listen, doesn't want to learn, but becomes frustrated when she gets it wrong. She can specifically ask how to do something, but cannot copy.

The same goes for when I am telling her NOT to do something. Her current fetish involves playing with the bloody living room door and I think I am going to pop a blood vessel. Her sister is 20 months and the 4 year old seems to think slamming doors in her face or playing "peek a boo" by opening and closing the door is fine. She goes up to the bathroom for a wee and insists on slamming the door in the baby's face. I can just imagine a couple of little fingers landing on the floor with a soft splat. But I can literally be standing there shouting "LEAVE THE DOOR ALONE, DO NOT TOUCH THE DOOR" and she is looking right at me, and still closing the door. ANd she will do the same exact thing next time. She gets a total bollocking every single time, so why isn't it sinking in?

The thing today that tipped the balance was when she asked me to teach her a knock knock joke.

I said ok, just copy me alright?
Me: Knock knock
DD: Who's there?
Me: Interrupting cow
DD: Interrupti----
Me: MOOOOOO

She loved the joke, and wanted to tell it back to me. I explained how.

DD:Knock Knock.
Me:Who's there?
DD:Interrupting cow.
Me:Interrupting cow who?.....ok, you need to moooo the moment I start saying "interrupting cow who?" alright?
DD: OK.

Repeat that exact conversation for 10 minutes. She is asking me what to say, I am showing her in extremely simple terms what to do, I even tried the old "I will wave a hand and you moo" thing but she just won't do it. The moment you start explaining something, she glazes over and stops listening.

What the hell am I doing wrong? And what on Earth is she going to be like at school?

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stainesmassif · 02/07/2013 09:33

Don't worry. It all sounds in the range of normal to me.
Don't bother trying to teach her the alphabet or writing (IMO) - that's what school is for, and they are unlikely to do it the same way that you do.
Get door guards so she can't slam the door.

ThePerfectFather · 02/07/2013 09:37

My real issue is that it's making me not want to show her how to do things. It's so incredibly frustrating to have someone ASK you how to do something and then immediately turn around and refuse help...

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Cheeseatmidnight · 02/07/2013 09:47

Sounds like my nephew - he has dyspraxia. I hate it when people try and diagnose but might be worth a look

Cheeseatmidnight · 02/07/2013 09:52

I am comparing your comments to a 6 year old though so please feel free to tell me to bog off

stainesmassif · 02/07/2013 15:31

Maybe try not to focus on her getting it your way straight away. Ask her how she thinks it should be done when she asks you how. Kids don't necessarily learn in a linear progression although I'm not denying the frustration factor of repeating everything 100 times a day.

Cheeseatmidnight · 03/07/2013 13:31

Bump - hopefully more people will contribute Smile

tumbletumble · 03/07/2013 14:27

I agree with cheese that dyspraxia did occur to me after reading your post. My friend's DS has it, and there are some things he just can't do (eg use a knife and fork properly - he's 7) no matter how many times you show / tell him - not because he's not listening but because it is physically very difficult for him.

The door slamming thing is different though. That sounds more like naughty behaviour - still pretty normal though for a 4yo towards her younger sister.

You say she enjoys drawing - could you find an art class for her and see if she responds better when it's a subject she is good at?

Agree with staines, don't worry about teaching her the alphabet. The teacher won't expect you to have done this and it doesn't sound like an enjoyable or productive experience for either of you!

Cheeseatmidnight · 03/07/2013 16:01

That's it tumble, it is the clumsiness and not being able to despite being shown over and over.

My nephew went to an assessment and was asked to jump and windmill arms and couldn't.

Kiwiinkits · 04/07/2013 02:33

Yep, I too thought dispraxia when I read your post OP.

DesertOrchid · 04/07/2013 09:45

I hate to offer suggestions over the net too, but whilst some things (like the knock knock joke) are very much normal for four-year-olds I would definitely go to the GP and ask about dyspraxia. It may be that she really can't tune in to what you are saying or co-ordinate herself enough to follow instructions. You certainly lose nothing by ruling it out.

blueberryupsidedown · 04/07/2013 18:27

play listening games with her. Play Simon says, invent games where she has to listen to one instruction and do it - praise - then two instructions and do it - praise - then three.... etc. And you can play a little game where you pick an object (a toy, a kitchen utensil, whatever) out of a sac and you first say 'shiny spoon' then she says 'shiny smooth spoon' then you say shiny smooth long spoon' until you run out of words. One really nice game is to have her draw two sets of big ears, and you go out for a walk (you will both have to hold the big cardboard ears next to your head, it's very funny) and listen to all the noises around - birds, cars, whatever.

Whereas the physical aspects of things 4 is very young. You can play games with her to encourage her to move the right side of the body in different movement from the left side. Try watching Tree Foo Tom on CBeebees and do the movements with her.

Cheeseatmidnight · 04/07/2013 22:34

Ooh yes, Tree Foo Tom is great for that, my dd likes to copy that

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