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when did your child start talking about death and what did you tell them?

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souvenir · 06/05/2006 22:13

Dd's nearly 4 and has lately become very concerned with death. Mostly it's fear of me dying and more generally who will look after her if something happens to me. This evening she talked about Grandma being 'old' and said 'but she's not going to die is she?' so I said 'not yet, no, but she will one day' which led to the terrible tears that emerge whenever this topic comes up. Tonight then I talked to her about Grandma going to 'heaven' in a rather ad-hoc way and I wondered what other mums do / say when faced with this problem?

TIA

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teatimethatswhytime · 10/05/2006 09:52

we've got a poster that shows numbers 1-100 (10 on a line)Think you can get then in loads of places, toy shops, libraries etc.

lenaschildminding · 14/06/2006 20:26

Reading all your comments I can understand where you are all coming from. My DS1 died the day after his 5th birthday and DS2 was 3 just 2 weeks later. He worshiped his big brother, he was his shadow.

It was awful, trying to explain to DS2 that his brother could never come back was sooo hard.

Painting a picture of this wonderful heavenly place, where children no longer suffer and can play freely forever without pain just lead to DS2 asking 'why can't we go and see him' 'why doesn't he visit me' 'why did he go without me' 'didn't he love me anymore'.

DS2 pictured heaven as a place that was just a bus ride away and started to blame himself because his brother went there and he's not allowed to go. He started to say he wanted to die so he could be with him again. He got horribly mixed up and his confusion turned to anger and aggression.

This affected him at nursery and school and with the help of councelling, child pyschologists and SENCO teams he has eventually learned to deal with it. DS2 is 6 now.

The main lesson I was taught early on in the councelling (which was for me too)was that when a young child asks what happens when you die, you give them straight forward, truthful answers. Try not to glorify 'heaven' as a wonderful place. Be frankly honest. We don't know. We have never been there. You will never really know until you die. As hard and blunt as it seemed, that helped DS2. When he asks 'where is heaven?' we answer 'I don't know'. He still looks to the sky and blows kisses to heaven, he's accepted that it's out there somewhere and his brothers there and when he's sad, he talks to him. I often hear DS2 say his name in his sleep. I often hear him chuntering away to his photograph, he has developed his own understanding and has come to terms with it, although it took time and heaps of heartache. He also has a small collection of DS1's favourite things that he can get out whenever he wants to, like a memory box. He knows he can talk about him whenever he wants to with me and ask to watch videos of him or look at the photo albums. I forced myself to do this from an early stage in my grief, the first time I couldn't see for my tears, now we can sit together and look, laughing and remembering. It's took years of hard work to get to this stage, but DS2 can cope with it now and doesn't get angry everytime he thinks of his brother going away. He'll still have a quiet moment and say 'I miss .... mummy, I wish he could come back' and calmly glance at the sky, then carries on with what he was doing.

Just be honest. Although it seems hard and blunt, it prevents impossible to answer questions, confusion and heartache.

My thoughts are with anyone who has to explain the death of a loved one to a child.

sparklemagic · 14/06/2006 20:37

lenas, reading your post really made me cry for you and all the suffering your family has had to go through, it must be just unbearable and I'm so sorry about your DS1.

It was really interesting to hear that the honest, blunt approach worked best for your DS2; when we told DS about his great grandad's death I really couldn't bring myself to say anything to DS that I didn't know was true, and I'm not religious, so couldn't do the heaven bit....it's good to know that my instinct to be honest was the best thing, and that answers like "I don't know" are OK!

You sound like you have dealt with your DS2's feelings in a hugely sensitive way, what an amazing mum Smile

lenaschildminding · 14/06/2006 20:56

Just a Mum... we are all amazing in one way or another. Thanks though. Smile

lenaschildminding · 14/06/2006 21:13

Just wanted to add... DS2 asked me if I was going to die. He also asked if the dogs, nanny, grandad and daddy were going to die. Then the 'will I die'.

Being truthful again, the answer had to be...

'anyone can die, but no-one knows when or why, there is no reason at the moment why we should.'

The other issue I had to face was hospitals. DS1 spent most of 2 years in and out of hospital and was very poorly, he had tubes, lost his hair, went very frail and looked poorly. DS2 then associated being ill with doctors, nurses and hospitals. After DS1 passed away, he got it into his head, if you were ill and you saw a doctor, you were going to die. This was a nightmare. Hysterical fits if anyone mentioned going to the doctors and trying to get DS2 through the surgery door....

Be very careful what you tell your children. They take things literally. If you say 'old people die' they become scared of growing up, if someone young dies, they could be angry towards you for lying to them, if you tell them mummy and daddy aren't going to die and the worst happens unexpectedly, they could hate you for breaking a promise and letting them down. If you tell them ill people die, they can be distressed by the common cold or tummy bug and think they are dying.

Stick to the honest answer. You don't know.

lenaschildminding · 14/06/2006 21:17

Sorry, one more piece of advice...

Whatever you say, don't explain death as going to sleep and not waking up. Your child will never want to go to sleep again and will be terrified of anyone else sleeping.

theflumpsmum · 14/06/2006 21:20

hi ive had to deal with this recently.my dd(6) lost a friend in school a few weeks ago,unfortunatley she had a undiagnosed heart problem and caught a nasty flu bug thats been going about here and sadly had a heart attack and died.my daughter and her were quiet close,the day the school found out my dd was off ill ,her teacher actually rang me at home to let me know as she thought dd would take it better coming from me.must admit i cried afew tears myself,but eventually just told her all the facts etc ,i was worried she might think anyone who gets ill would then die,but luckily she bright and understands things very well.she did get upset but after a while started to ask more things about death and i just answered her as honestly as i could.

saadia · 14/06/2006 21:25

lenaschildminding, just wanted to send you sympathies for your terrible loss and to say thank you for all your advice. My sister who was two yrs older than me died very suddenly when she was 20. I want my dss (ds1 is now 4) to know who she was so when he asked me about when I was little, I told him about how I played with my brother (who he loves very much) and my sister. This led to questions about her and where she is now, so your advice has been very helpful in hadnling this subject with him.

tenalady · 14/06/2006 21:27

Ds started at 3. I can remember becoming very concerned with my mortality at 4. It was quite frightening so you need to tread carefully. I fluff it up with heaven, guardian angels, stars. It worked for me.

lenaschildminding · 14/06/2006 21:49

tenalady, Fluffing it up, as you put it, is great for those fortunate enough never to have to deal with it, I sincerely hope you havent't and never will. Once you are faced with such devastation, the questions then start. Would you be able to answer your childs questions like the ones I faced? Where is heaven? Why did the angels take him away? Angels are horrible. I want them to bring him back. Didn't he love me anymore? Why would he rather be with angels than me? These are all things DS2 came out with. The more 'fluffy' you make it, the harder it is to deal with should the reality hit home. I know it's nice to believe there is a wonderful place where we go, where everythings beautiful and peaceful but for a child faced with it, they just cannot understand the million and one 'why's'.

financiallyembarrassed · 15/06/2006 20:41

So sorry to read your story lena - you sound like a very strong honest person and a top mummy. Take care.

tegan · 15/06/2006 20:56

Well my dh lost his best and closest friend last week and so my 8 yr dd is very clued up on death as we have hidden nothing from her. She has asked if she can go to the cemetary after ther funeral to say good bye and we think this is a great idea and it will be a good opportunity for her to take flowers and talk about how she feels.

tenalady · 16/06/2006 13:17

lenaschildminding, I was taught this way and somehow, god knows how I worked it all out for myself later on. It still eases the blow for me now to think there is a heaven and angels that look after them!Blush I dont think they need to deal with such detail at a very young age. Lets face it none of us know what really happens.

Bugsy2 · 16/06/2006 13:41

I've told my children that most of the time people only die if they are very, very old or very, very poorly.
I explained that when a person dies their body is not alive any more & they can't talk to us or be active. I told them that dead people are either buried or burnt & that this does not hurt them because they don't have feelings like people who are alive do.
I also told my children that a person we know well continues to live in our hearts because of all the memories we have of them.
I did the heaven stuff too for my kids, but realise that this is not helpful to parents who don't have any particular faith.

lenaschildminding · 20/06/2006 20:28

tenalady, don't get me wrong, I believe my son's spirit will live on forever, DS2 believe's his big brother is an angel. All I meant was 'fluffing it up' too much can lead to anger and confusion, like it did at first with DS2. DS2 will occassionally glance to the sky and blow kisses to heaven, he'll still ask where heaven is, what it's like and I still reply 'no-one knows' and he accepts that. It's been nearly four years now and DS2 still talks about his brother, still wishes he could come back but understands that it can never happen. Although he'll have a quiet moment and I know he's thinking of him, he doesn't get angry anymore. Sometimes he'll come with me to the cemetary, othertimes he'll say he doesn't want to go and that's fine, I never tell him what to do, it's his choice. We both believe that DS1 is there somewhere, watching over us, laughing at his Mum's blonde moments! Giggling at his little brother's silliness! He'll always be alive in our hearts, he was a strong character that gave so much in 5 years to us and everyone he met, and that can never die.

spinamum · 20/06/2006 21:15

Lenas.., Thank you. Your words have helped me to formulate a more sustainable approach to explaining the death of a family member to my son than the one I had been attempting.

thank you.

spinamum · 20/06/2006 21:16

Lenas.., Thank you. Your words have helped me to formulate a more sustainable approach to explaining the death of a family member to my son than the one I had been attempting.

thank you.

lenaschildminding · 22/06/2006 16:16

Please look at my appeal in the childminding section...

Thanks.

lenaschildminding · 20/07/2006 11:02

As those who have read my comments in this thread will know, I lost my son to Cancer nearly four years ago. Please read my thread in childminders, nannies, aupairs...Appeal for help.

Many of you on this thread have experianced death, which is why this thread was started. The death of a child, especially after a long painful illness, is nothing but living hell.

Please, please, please, can anyone help save my DS1's friend? She was diagnosed with Leukeamia at the same time DS1 was in hospital, she's the same age, she has relapsed and she needs a bone marrow donor to save her life.

For the sake of a drive next Monday evening in your car and a simple blood test, you could be offering the chance of life to someone. Then hopefully her parents won't have to explain death to her sister like I had to to DS1's little brother.

Please spread the word, if you can't do it for health reasons, then please pass on the details to a friend or relative that could.

Too many children are dying of cancer. Help them beat the odds. Please.

toni26 · 16/01/2010 21:57

so glad to find this page,my 3 year old son only started talking about death this week, and it now dominates most of our conversations after he overheard that somone we know (who was very old) had died. He is now questioning whether god actually exhists, how we get to heaven, why we have to go, when he/we will die...I find it really hard to talk about these things. I am a single parent, and generally just about managing. My lack of answers is not helping, but I hate to lie to him, and I feel telling him only old people die is not really fair,but I feel any other answer might really set him worrying. any ideas?

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