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user12785 · 29/01/2013 10:43

DD8 was allowed back in my room yesterday to watch TV after having been banned from there for a while for taking things (including money) and lying about it. Not just casual lies, but huge whoppers, keeping the lie going for days, shouting and screaming indignantly, and blaming ds6, even screaming at him to own up, that she hates him for doing it (when it was her all along). She was allowed back in there to seperate her from ds6, as she constantly picks on him, apparently she doesn't even like the way he breathes at the moment...

At one point I heard rustling, looked in to find her hurriedly sitting back on the bed. I asked her what she was up to, she said nothing. I said I would trust her to stay in my room, as long as she promised not to take anything that didn?t belong to her. I'd forgotten that in the room were the remnants of DS?s chocolate from Xmas, on top of a 6ft bookcase.

When I went to bed I found she?d eaten 2 tubes of smarties, a packet of jaffa cakes and various other things, hidden the interior wrappers under the bed but put the exterior packaging back so it looked like it hadn?t been touched. This is also only a few days after we had a big talk about healthy eating etc btw.

I confronted her with the wrappers this am. She lied and said it wasn?t her. We?ve had huge chats about lying recently, and how I hate the lying more than the wrong doing, so today she only kept the lie going for about 15 mins, which is a huge improvement at least. But then, when sent to her room, she did what she always does, shouting, screaming, not stopping when told to, not accepting that she?s done anything wrong. After 10mins of this she said sorry, I thanked her for apologising but remained quite cool. At which point she went ballistic again, about me not accepting her apology. I explained that I had, but it?s hard to go back to being cheerful when I was still very disappointed and sad. I also said that there was no point saying sorry if she was going to keep repeating the same behaviour. More ranting from her, lasting another 10 mins, at which point I had to leave for work.

I seriously don?t know what to do. We send her to the step, she sits there shouting and ranting at us. We?ve even had building work done to provide her with her own room, so we can give her a warning and send her to her room to calm down before she gets to the ranting stage. We've given her a notebook in which she can write down what she wants / needs to say, rather than shout and scream at us. We?ve tried charts and rewards, spending one on one time with her, pocket money. We?ve tried confiscating her belongings, but if we do this mid-episode it?s like pouring oil on a fire. If we do it when she?s calmed down it all starts up again. And she genuinely doesn?t seem to miss her stuff enough to want to behave well enough to get it back. Some stuff has been confiscated for months, (and it?s embarrassing when a grandparent asks where something is that they gave her and she says Mummy?s taken it away).

And it's not like we're draconian! If she wanted a biscuit, she could have asked. If she wanted to buy something, she could have asked us and we'd have come up with a plan, perhaps a bit of housework and some matched funding!

Her behaviour has been like this for several years now. The rants are probably every other day, the lying is becoming more frequent, to the point where it's practically the default setting. Taking things is escalating, it used to be about one major episode a year, but we've now had 3 episodes so far this month, including her taking the money left out for the cleaner and completely denying it for hours. The ranting and shouting is escalating, she'll now do outside the house too on the way to / from the car.

This, by the way, is a child who behaves like an angel at school, has come home with certificates for politeness, kindness etc. The school would be absolutely astounded if they knew how she behaves at home.

Help.

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BarbarianMum · 29/01/2013 11:24

She sounds a lot like me at that age Blush. I was always stealing (small amounts) from my mum's purse, or taking food and then getting myself tied up in huge knots lying about it. I was also very good at school.

I don't really have an answer for you cause obviously I don't know your daughter. With me, the stealing was a combination of being generally unhappy and having a sweet tooth - I would buy myself treats to cheer myself up, or sometimes sweets to share with friends. My parents were also very controlling with food - I was never allowed to take anything without asking and although I could ask in theory, the reality was it was always no.

The lying was because I really hated 'being in trouble' - almost to the point of phobia. Its hard to understand the logic now cause my parents were no monsters and much more upset about the lying than anything I had done but I just couldn't admit I'd done something wrong - even though I knew that made it worse. Then they'd get crosser and crosser and the whole thing just got out of proportion, by which time there was no way I was going to admit anything even if it was really obvious it was me. So a momentary lapse of control would mean I'd take/eat something then I'd deny it and become hysterical and it would end up as crime of the century.

Anyway, you'll be relieved to know I grew up to be a perfectly upright, honest citizen with a mild temper Smile. I just don't think my parent's approach helped much.

So anyway, your daughter. I think if you want her to tell you the truth then you cannot be angry with her when she does so - no matter what it is she's done (not saying no consequences, just no anger). Also try not to confront her directly with a 'did you do X' - if you know she did it, calmly tell her the consequence. Or state what has happened 'the chocolate has been eaten' and see what comes next.

If you don't want her to take x,y,z what food can she take without asking (in our house kids can always help themselves to fruit except for 10 min before dinner)?

Does she get pocket money? If not then perhaps give her some and encourage her to save it for the things she wants. You could also let her 'earn' some extra by doing jobs so she starts to understand the value of the stuff.

HTH

Startail · 29/01/2013 11:43

No advice to tackle it, but I agree about having a phobia about being found to be wrong and getting in a spectacular state as a result.

Both DD2 and DH do it to a certain extent.

DD2 used to lie, a bit, but it's very difficult in this house because DD1 doesn't. So she realised she was going to get anywhere. Still hates being wrong and explodes if you laugh at her.

DH doesn't lie, but he gets in a filthy temper if he makes a mistake.

He's insanely clever, he is almost always right. I don't get why he's so insecure when he isn't.

Actually I think that's the problem. I think feeling insecure and not in control of the situation has a lot to do with it.

DD2 gets much better as she gets older and has slightly more freedom.

DD1 and me are dyslexic we make stupid mistakes and do daft impulsive things all the time. We can't get up tight about things, life's too short.

Journey · 29/01/2013 21:45

When you know your dd is 100% lying I wouldn't ask her if she has done the wrong thing. I think it can just add to the frustration because it becomes a bit of a game. I would tell her instead that you know she has done the wrong thing and tell her how it has made you feel. Don't focus too much on the sorry but instead focus on what she could of done differently. Then tell her how it would have made you feel if she had done that. You will probably find your dd will say sorry of her own back as opposed to the forced sorry.

I think this approach sometimes gives a bit of control back to the dc to talk their actions through. The did you lie?, give a row and then the sorry can sometimes become a vicious circle because the pattern is the same again and again. Cutting to the chase and talking sometimes gets the message through better.

user12785 · 30/01/2013 12:17

Thank you all. I'm still not sure how I will handle it next time, but it is reassuring to know that dd's behaviour is not as outrageous as it seems in the heat of the moment... I do tend to fall into the trap of thinking "no one else's children are behaving like this", when of course they are, I just don't see it.

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wannabedomesticgoddess · 30/01/2013 12:28

Dd1 is only 4 and this week she has sneeked downstairs while we are sleeping (she admitted doing it in the dark) to take a cake we had made the day before. I found the cake in her room after seeing it was gone.

She has poured herself cereal in recent weeks. Which I dont mind if it werent for the sneaking and the fact that we then give her another bowl before realising shes already had some (she hides the bowls, now we have to search her room before breakfast) yoghurts were going missing, cheese strings.

All in the early morning while we are sleeping. So we have now put the baby gate on the kitchen because it doesnt fit on the stairs.

I dont have any answers, I just wanted to let you know that it probably happens more than you think.

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