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Nursery concerned about 2.9 yr old DD development.

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Marzipanface · 26/10/2012 22:10

Hi

This is long I am afraid. I am quite anxious about this so have put some background down about my DD. I apologise if some of it sounds like boasting but in order to work out if there is a problem I have put quite a bit about what she can do at the moment.

My DD is a lively, happy child. The HVs has always said she is advanced for her age at all her checks. Personally I don't know if this is really the case but I know we have had no worries in her meeting her milestones etc. Intellectually - she could read the alphabet sounds and names, all her numbers by the time she was 2. Knew her shapes and colours. She can read some words, incredibly proficient at using my laptop and iPad. She plays games and puzzles on them which are supposed to be for 4 yrs plus.

She is vocal about her needs, chatty, enquiring and displays plenty of creativity. She was yelling today then pretending to close a glass door then miming through it to me. She loves making me giggle. She seems to be able to grasp concepts, often tells me about her dreams. She is fascinated at how things work and what they are - informed me today that the water comes through the pipes which are 'behind the wall' and then through the taps today. She is good at taking things apart and fixing them as well. She has fixed a toy I have been unable to before now. No worries about motor skills there.

She shows plenty of empathy, I've had 'head plasters' and kisses all day because I have had a nasty migraine. If me and DH have even the slightest tone to our voice when talking, she makes us hold hands and hug each other. This has diffused plenty of arguments! She has started announcing when she is 'happy' and telling us voluntarily that she loves us. Fabulous :)

However, she has always been quite shy out and about and until recently was terrified of loud noises, and too much sensory input. She claps her hands over her ears if too much is going on. I gave up taking her to a singing group because she would clutch on to me and beg to 'go home' shaking and terrified, which was quite distressing to experience. She is much better in small groups or one on one interaction. She simply won't talk to people she has only just met and I also have friends she has known forever who she is completely mute around. It is quite frustrating. Other stuff - issues with textures and clothing, certain things 'hurt'/ 'scratchy' and so on. HV suggested I leave her to run around nude at home as long as she wasn't too cold. I compromise with her. Clothes off at home, on if we need to go out. She has a soft fleece she wraps around her if she needs it.

She has started nursery, a few hours a week. Only been for six weeks. Amazingly she has settled in so well. She loves it and can't wait to go back. She seems to love being surrounded by the children as, apart from older kids who live over the road and her cousins who are 4, she doesn't have much social interaction. She is the youngest at the nursery as the rest of them are all over three.

The other day, in front of a number of other parents, as I was picking DD up, her keyworker decided to chat to me about DD's progress. She informed me that she was concerned with her socialization skills and that on observing her closely today noted that my DD doesn't actually talk to the other children and still seems to be engaging in paralell play. She asked me if DD talks much at home, if we have any concerns about her development/ interaction and seemed really surprised, almost disbelieving when I said DD plays with her cousins quite well. I asked if I could talk to her about it parents evening as didn't feel it was the time and the place. Keyworker agreed and said she has a 2 year development tick list she would like to go over with me to check that DD is meeting age appropriate goals and if there are any areas where she is underdeveloped and that they can work on. Key worker is concerned about DD not engaging with people and focusing on doing tasks such as playdoh/craft and concentrating not interacting for long periods of time.

This has sent me into a spin. I KNOW I am probably overreacting but this is the first feedback I have had about my DD in a social setting. My HV was more than happy with her progress at her 2 year check, so is there a problem? DH tells me not to worry but I am. Is there stuff that I am not seeing? Children behave differently when they are out don't they? Has she dropped behind and have I just overlooked it? Socially, what should they be doing at this age? I am guessing the nursery have had longer to observe her than the HV did.

Am I being an idiot. I feel very anxious about it all, for the first time ever as a parent.

Thank you for reading if you have got this far!

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oneandnomore · 27/10/2012 22:31

Hi. Your DD sounds very lovely, and very like my DD at that age Smile

I was going to suggest that you find her a child minder rather than nursery, but as she enjoys nursery then maybe she is in the right place. Her social interaction skills will be encouraged, and she will be better prepared for school.

My DD has the issues with clothes you descibe, she can only stand to wear socks and tights from Primark, thgey don't give her a "toe problem"! I have found it easier to try and accomodate this, makes for less morning battles!

There is a book, The Highly Sensitive Child, by Elaine Aron, which is really helpful in understanding children who are sensitive.

My DD is now 7.6, she really enjoys school, and has coped really well with going to junior school. At the end of 2011 summer term, she was really anxious about moving classeswithin primary school.

What I am trying to say is that, as she gets older, she will utilise the skills that she is learning now. No child ticks all the boxes. Relax, and encourage the staff at nursery to let her be herself. Give her time to really settle in, and just get used to the new experiences.

NK2b1f2 · 27/10/2012 22:36

She sounds lovely and very bright Smile. Try to take what the keyworker says with a pinch of salt. I think it is ridiculous to 'assess' children at this age just to be able to tick boxes. My dd2 is 2.8 and her nursery key worker pulled me aside last week to ask what she was like at home because dd2 refuses to speak to her. I can't blame her because the key worker is constantly trying to observe what she says and does, hovering over her with a notepad Grin. dd2 knows she's being tested and refuses to comply. With this being my second dc, I am much more relaxed and just laugh. With my first I would have been really worried.
As for not liking loud noises... I am 40 and still don't like situation that are too busy or noisy. And the nice thing is, as an adult I don't have to go to things like play centres and children's birthday parties.
She's fine!

Marzipanface · 27/10/2012 23:20

Hi everyone. Really grateful for further replies!

The HV did mention the sensory processing thing to me but did suggest we wait and see if she grows out of it. She has definitely improved, a few months back she would have been terrified of the noise at nursery.
I think after reading all your responses I am overreacting. Perhaps it was more the way the KW told me. I will investigate the Aron book.

MrsDevere I think I am concerned that it is something related to sensory processing that I have been overlooking. In other areas she is fine, but her interaction is often intermittent with people outside her family. There are a number of mental health issues running through mine and DHs family. Think extreme agoraphobia, possible dyspraxia and others.

Thanks again. Feel much better now. You've all been wonderful :)

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Bumpstart · 28/10/2012 00:44

My dd's nursery teacher went through the checklist with me at Parent's evening. If I could think of a concrete occasion when she had achieved a thing, it was ticked off, as she said, it's difficult to get them to do everything whilst being observed

One real positive: she is enjoying nursery. That is great I have a friend whose dd is being diagnosed with asd, she really struggles with the noise of the nursery, and this is worse now she is in year 1 and moved to a classroom. She finds it horribly distracting.

One concern: your key worker seems over-concerned with the checklist. Does this point to a checklisty ethos in the nursery? Having said that, i would have thought it would be difficult to find a nursery without that [hgrin]

I hope she continues to enjoy nursery, and that you develop a good relationship with the staff there.

Bumpstart · 28/10/2012 00:48

Smiles in the rain.... Any links for those seamless socks?

(sorry for hijack)

EugenesAxe · 28/10/2012 01:05

I think it takes time to get used to things really and would say if this is her first formal time away from you that your DD is probably just adapting.

My DS used to be terrified of the Hokey Cokey; it's taken about 7 months (!) but now he runs into the centre laughing with the others.

I wouldn't worry.

smilesintherain · 28/10/2012 09:30

Bumpstart - here they are!

www.smartknitkids.com/

It is an American company, but think there are a few UK on line distributers eg:
sensorysmart.co.uk/

Journey · 29/10/2012 14:31

Your DD sounds great. I think the keyworker is incompetent.

Raising such an issue in front of other parents only evidences her lack of professionalism.

Marzipanface · 31/10/2012 08:00

Just to update - I have got the Elaine Aron book and it seems to describe my DD exactly. It is really really helpful in understanding her sensory issues. Thank you everyone.

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Camo1 · 31/10/2012 08:20

Has she had ear infections? Sometimes this can cause glue ear so it sounds like you are under water. It can also distort sounds. This could be why she doesn't like loud noises and has appeared a bit reserved at pre-school. She is quite young, but maybe key worker just being diligent

Marzipanface · 01/11/2012 13:04

Hi
As far as I know she has had no ear infections ever. I suppose it is something to consider.

I had another chat with her keyworker to day. It was just me, my daughter and her in the room as I was dropping her off. KW was firing questions at her with the attempt of making her talk and to my embarrassment, my DD was actively ignoring her. Looking everywhere but in the KW's eyes and hopping around avoiding her! KW then asked me if she ever spoke at home! I said of course! She is very chatty just selective with whom she talks to.

KW just frowned and asked again if she talks at home because she barely says a word at nursery.

I just smiled and said she chats when she likes.

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SamSmalaidh · 01/11/2012 13:11

Maybe she just doesn't like the keyworker? Firing questions at a child is hardly a way to get them comfortable and engaged!

Lilyloo · 01/11/2012 13:29

Just to back up the keyworker a bit, it is now compulsory for all childcare to do a formal assessment of children between the age of 2 and 3. This is based on the EYFS and only became compulsory from Sept.
The difficulty with this as you have seen is those children almost turning 3 it gives very little time for keyworker to get to know the child.
Whilst I agree that saying this in front of other parents wasn't very professional I do think she was right to mention this before doing the 2 year check so she can get your input (we have been advised to do it this way).
I am sure you will feel very reassured when you complete it with her keyworker as she seems to be doing very well and meeting her milestones.
If it is a sensory issue then I am sure having the extra support from nursery / keyworker will help.

ChippingInLovesAutumn · 01/11/2012 14:02

Keyworker sounds bloody useless tbh. I'd have a word with the management and see if you can get her changed over to a different keyworker - preferably one with some idea what she's doing.

Marzipanface · 01/11/2012 15:58

Pretty sure she doesn't like her KW which is awkward for everyone involved. Picked her up today and KW was getting her ready to leave, coat shoes etc. As soon as I walked in I could see she was upset, and KW was annoyed. DD burst into tears and KW snapped, 'I have no idea why she is crying or where it has come from, she was fine a minute ago' She said. I think she takes things personally.

DD sat and sobbed on the steps with all the other children watching. I said, 'she's probably tired' and scooped her various bits up and took her home. As soon as we out the door she cheered up. Dunno what that was about.

I suppose it must be really difficult for KW if my DD won't talk to her. How can she assess her properly if she is mute?

Thanks for all your messages.

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NK2b1f2 · 05/11/2012 22:27

I'm in a similar situation with dd2 not speaking to her key worker as mentioned earlier in the thread. Key worker got around it by listening in to dd2 happily chatting to another member of staff. I have a few issues with the nursery generally and am counting weeks until dd2 is old enough to start dd1's school nursery as soon as she turns 3 early next year.
To be honest, in your case I would ask for your dd to change her key worker, or even look for a new nursery! The key worker sounds very unprofessional and not very sensitive to a 2 year old. I don't think a key worker should take it personally if a 2 year old will not cooperate with being tested or have questions fired at her. I also find it wrong for your (and mine!) dd's key worker discussing your (my) daughter's refusal to speak in front of the child. My dd2 may be 2 but she is quite bright and understands perfectly well when she is being discussed.
Please take it seriously if you dd sits on the step and sobs like you describe. This is not the norm.
Once I have moved dd2 as soon as she is 3, I expect her to go into her school nursery class smiling, and coming out beaming, like dd1 did. Until then I am gritting my teeth and counting weeks.

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