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Sleep Rage

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mattDP · 17/09/2012 16:38

Hi,

Youngest daughter is two and a half. Up until the start of August she would absolutely not go to sleep without a parent in her room. It would often take 60-90 minutes and drove us spare. Nothing seemed to work in changing her behaviour.

At the beginning of August it suddenly seemed to change - we started leaving the door open and waiting outside, peeping in whenever she became distressed. After a little while of that she started to drift off herself. Shortly after that she ceased to care whether the door was open or not and would just go to sleep.

That happened just prior to our summer holiday and we were terrified that the disruption in routine would end the miracle. But it didn't - it carried on through our time away and then when we got back. We thought we had it cracked.

Then after a week and a half of glorious peace, it ended just as quickly as it began. We'd got into a little routine of holding hands for a few minutes before leaving the room, and one night she decided she "didn't want to" but then cried and raged when we left. We've refused to start staying in her room again, knowing she was psychologically ready to do without us, and that's where we are still now, two months later.

We don't know what's going on in her head. She seems to still want to hold hands - which would be fine - as when we persuade her to do it, she'll settle afterwards without fuss. It also seems to be more an issue of anger than genuine upset, as when we go upstairs to remonstrate with her - as we always end up doing - there's no sign she's been crying. She just screams and rages.

We're sick of it now. Her fury keeps her older sibling awake in the next room and now that school has started again, elder sister is having to go to class pale and exhausted. We've tried not going up, going up repeatedly, being calm, being angry, offering toys/lovies (she just throws them out of the cot), keeping her awake in the day but nothing seems to work.

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Matt

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Hpbp · 17/09/2012 16:57

Sorry I have no advice but I feel for you. My eldest son now almost 4 took 3 years to settle himself and sleep all night, even now and again he would wake up to make sure that we are around but then impossible for us to fall back asleep. Hope this will end soon. Good luck

lucylookout · 17/09/2012 20:29

What about a reward chart for going to/staying in bed. Or, when ds was about the same age, he wasn't angry, but he did use any tactic possible to delay bed time, then came out of his room with some excuse if a reason about 50 times, and then woke up (and woke us up) 3 or so times a night. We made up 'sleep fairies' who left him a tiny present in the morning whenever he went to bed nicely and stayed in bed.

mattDP · 18/09/2012 10:04

We tried the reward chart, and a present for going to sleep without crying. Neither worked - and she understood the principle as well. On the rare occasions she went off without a fuss (normally because she was ill or teething) she would ask for present in the morning because she "didn't cry".

She seems to have some bizarre mix-up in her head between what she wants and what she doesn't want. I've seen it happen elsewhere - if she's naughty and you threaten to remove a privilege or treat she'll claim she doesn't want it anyway, and then cry all the more when it's inevitably taken away. I think it's a basic attempt at emotional blackmail and she's trying the same trick at bedtime. I just wish she'd either learn it doesn't work, or we could show her that it's a bad idea in the first place.

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Hpbp · 18/09/2012 11:02

Have you tried not paying attention at all to her ? Put her down, kiss good night and leave the room, then if she gets up, take her back in her bed without a word ? My son used to wake up several times at night, with no rage though, we had to do that for a week or so. Eventually he got the message and now he does not wake up too often.

mattDP · 18/09/2012 11:25

We tried, but eventually she becomes hysterical and we felt forced to go up and intervene. Also the screaming upsets elder sister and keeps her awake so we thought it was unfair to allow it to carry on for protracted periods.

She seems to have us over a barrel :(

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Hpbp · 18/09/2012 12:01

Can you see a sleep specialist or behaviour paediatrician ? It must be so hard for your whole family.

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