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What to do?? Pretty long I'm afraid

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readyforno2 · 05/09/2012 20:29

Ds 1 is 5 and has just started school.
He has always been a bit of a handful and very excitable but instead of this getting better he seems to be becoming more disruptive.
Things have been getting progressively worse since we told him he was going to be a big brother (ds 2 is 11 weeks on Friday).
He never listens to anything dp or I say to him or ask him to do and fully believes that his way is always better.
Tonight ds 2 was sitting in the bouncy chair and ds 1 was singing to him. All of a sudden ds1 grabs his head and shakes it.
I flew off the handle and sent/carried him through to his room and told him not to come back through tonight.
I have since been through and explained that babies can be killed by being shaken, I also told him (not happy with myself but I was really upset, no excuse I know) that although I will always love him and that will never change I really don't like his behaviour and I am really disappointed in him.
I worry that he will end up being labelled as the bad boy and nobody will want to be friends with him and that he will be picked out by teachers etc.
Sorry this has been so long and if you make it this far I would appreciate some advice

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rhetorician · 05/09/2012 22:36

well I think you are being quite hard on him (not about the shaking but in your attitude to him) - he is only 5 and is dealing with 2 HUGE changes in his life - starting school and a new sibling when he's been used to having you all to himself. He wants to know what the rules are and where the boundaries lie and you have to patiently show him. You do have to make it absolutely clear though that hurting the baby is not OK - but you also need to reassure him a lot, praise good behavior, get him to help with things for the baby, and if at all possible (don't know if you've a DP around or not, or whether DP works long hours etc) spend some time 1:1 with ds1 - maybe going to or from school, or when baby naps (if baby naps!). It's tough and I sympathize - but you will get through it. Just try to see if from ds1's point of view and safety aside, try to put him first (the baby will not remember, ds1 most certainly will!). Good luck

readyforno2 · 05/09/2012 22:52

Thank you for replying. I do appreciate that he has had big changes etc but how long do I use this as an excuse? We're in Scotland so he's been at school for about a month.
The issues behaviour wise have always been there but not to the extent that they are now.
Nothing I do seems to sink in.
Usually he is very helpful with his brother. He helps with bath time, which he loves and I always make a point of spending time/playing with him after school.
I feel awful for the way I've been tonight but he really scared me. I didn't think he would hurt him.
Thank you again

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Goldmandra · 05/09/2012 23:12

The changes aren't an excuse, he has to learn when his behaviour is unacceptable, but they could be a reason for his behaviour.

What he needs now is calm consistency. Don't feel awful, you didn't say anything to him that you shouldn't have tonight. He needed to know that he can't do that to babies.

When he is helping you keep telling him how much you appreciate his presence and how much you value his help.

At the same time you need to give him clear, calm instructions, telling him what you want him to do rather than what you don't want him to do. Use consistent behaviour management so that he knows exactly what to expect when he is acting up. This will help him to feel more secure.

He is very much still settling into school and it is a lot for someone his age to cope with. Have you talked to his teacher at all? Do you have a reason to think the school is struggling with him?

Given time and consistency hopefully he'll feel more settled soon.

ThisIsMummyPig · 05/09/2012 23:18

I think he is misbehaving to get attention. I would try giving him attention when he is good, and give lots and lots of positive praise. If you possibly can then giving 1-1 time also helped massively for us. Funnily enough my 4yo due to start school loves being helpful, and will happily 'help' me chop veg etc.

I know that nothing is easy when you have a newborn, but if you can try and make your son feel like he is still the centre of your world it will probably make you all feel happier.

By the way, DD1 pushed DD2 down the stairs, put a plastic bag over her face while I was changing her nappy, and generally couldn 't walk past her without hitting her when she was a baby, but two years on they love each other greatly, and are both nice girls

readyforno2 · 05/09/2012 23:19

I have spoken to his teacher. He lost some of his 'golden time' during the 1st week! Although he managed to earn it back.
I try to praise him when he helps or does anything good. Maybe I need to make more of a point of it. Should I try a reward chart (again)?
It's so hard, everything I say to him seems to go in one ear and out the other.

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Goldmandra · 05/09/2012 23:25

I would say that telling him how much you love him and appreciate him is the best thing you can do. Perhaps a reward chard could help if it is targeted towards one very specific thing like doing things after being asked just once and he has lots of chances to achieve. That could help him feel more positive and give him less reason to be disruptive.

Losing his golden time is no biggie really. The teacher won't be labelling him in her head, especially if he managed to earn it back.

readyforno2 · 05/09/2012 23:26

The thing is, he has always misbehaved..
I have always just told myself he would grow out of it.
He has a horrible temper and screams and shouts like a banshee, which I ignore.
At nursery he was the biter. Then on leaving nursery and starting Playgroup the leader pulled me aside and said they were monitoring his behaviour and had put him on a behaviour chart.
The nursery leader at preschool told me she adored him but she was worried about his listening and that he needed more guidance than the other children. She herself said she was worried about him being labelled as 'the bad child'.
He can be so loving and caring, always getting cuddles and wanting to cuddle ds2 but I don't know if I can trust him Sad

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readyforno2 · 05/09/2012 23:28

Re-reading what I have written is really upsetting. I want my nice wee cuddly boy back

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ThisIsMummyPig · 05/09/2012 23:31

I'm not saying my daughter listens to everything I say, but when I stopped shouting at her and gave her positive praise, I just felt happier, I didn't like being shouty. That kind of filtered through to everything else.

Do you know why he lost his golden time? Was it for not listening, or was it for something more serious.

In all fairness we dealt with violence first, and then did the other stuff.

reward charts have stopped working for me, but it you haven't done one for a while, the novelty might have more of an effect

readyforno2 · 05/09/2012 23:37

He lost it for not listening and doing something over and over after being asked not to.
She was pretty vague about it to be honest, just said that there had been a couple of things during the day and one particular occasion where he had to be repeatedly asked to stop.
What if his behaviour holds him back? He's very bright and i don't want this to affect his schooling

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Goldmandra · 06/09/2012 08:28

The school has a responsibility to observe him closely and try to identify the root cause of his problems with listening. The teacher should not just keep using sanctions to punish him without trying to find ways to make it easier for him to behave well. It is their job to prevent any difficulties from affecting his education.

If you are worried about his behaviour in school then ask for a meeting to discuss what strategies they are using and how they will proceed if those strategies are unsuccessful. You might find it reassuring and, if they need a nudge to approach it more professionally, asking for a meeting might get things moving.

It is very early days. Give him some time to settle in and things might improve by themselves. If they don't the school should be able to help you.

DeWe · 06/09/2012 09:35

I get what you're saying.
It's not right just to say "he's got a lot of change at present, he'll be okay once it's settled down" because this behaviour is ongoing, and was happeneing before the changes.

Firstly don't feel guilty in telling him off. he needs to know when things are not acceptable. If you don't tell him then he won't necessarily realise. He could shake a doll's head, or probably even yours without it being an issue. Of course he won't realise without being told that it is a complete no no. Have what he can't do very clear. So he knows if he steps over it then a consequence happens. let go things that don't matter.

I would go in and discuss with school. That way they know that you are on their side and that helps not to produce the "naughty boy label". It also helps if you know what behaviour produces what sanctions.

For my ds we found a home/school book helped. They would write down bits of his day. A day might sound like this:
"Sat on the carpet well. Smile
Did activity with adult. Didn't want to come at first, but did it well when he came.
Threw toy at child. Time out. Sad
Lunch time behaved very well. Helped put away toys at end without being asked. Grin
Listened to story nicely. Smile

I could then talk it through. Saying well done, praising the good behaviour, and asking what he thought he should have done on the bad behaviour-and listening to his side. Sometimes you sympathise with his side ("X knocked down my sandcastle 3 times, and I kept asking him to do it, so I hit him and he stopped") but you don't agree with the bad behaviour ("that was naughty of X. You must have been very sad when he did that, but you still don't hit. What would have been better to do?")

It also helps you see flash points (lunch was bad for ds because he has problems hearing and he found the noise hard), and also if the general behaviour was getting better, worse, staying the same. And what worked with rewards.

readyforno2 · 06/09/2012 16:58

Thank you all for your replies. I will go into the school and arrange a time to talk to his teacher.
Hopefully with a reward chart etc. things will change.

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