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Need help with a tricksy 7 year old (and the rubbish way I am dealing with her)

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clemetteattlee · 14/08/2012 10:04

Xposted with parenting but no replies there and I need help!

This might be a bit long and is written in the iPad so apologies for typos.
I have two children aged 7 and 4. My daughter is my eldest and she is bright, funny, energetic, enthusiastic. She is also, at the moment, incredibly wilful, sulky, ungrateful and occasionally mean. I have caught her being mean to her little brother and also being mean to her friends when they come 'round to play or if we meet them at the park etc. Essentially she is a bit spoilt I think. She has always been unable to entertain herself and whatever we are doing she never allows herself to enjoy it, instead constantly asking what's next. Even during special treats she is asking for ice-creams, to go somewhere else, to see someone else etc.
If we are doing something that she doesn't want to do she simply sulks for the entire time making it unpleasant for everyone else. With her friends she is bossy and if they don't do as she wants she simply refuses to do anything. She has reduced a couple of them to tears of frustration.
She has started shouting at me and occasionally refusing to do as she is asked.

Writing it down it doesn't look too bad but actually the atmosphere here is dreadful. She is naughty, I tell her off, she is naughty, I tell her off in a constant cycle. We try REALLY hard with positive consequences for good behaviour and allowing her to take herself for "calm down time" in her room if she feels like she needs it, but I also don't think I should let her get away with poor behaviour (kicking her brother, making her friends cry, throwing mini tantrums) so I challenge it.

Sometimes I challenge it calmly, and sometimes, to my shame, i get really angry and shout things I don't even mean. For example, "if you can't be nice you will have to go and live at grandma's". I know how damaging this is. My childhood was spent being shouted and screamed at by a bipolar mother and I am DESPERATE to be better at parenting than that. But I seem to have lost my way. I am either telling her off, or worse shouting at her, or in tears because I feel so lost that my lovely little girl is acting like this. I realise both of these responses are not entirely normal and so wonder what I can do? I really don't want to damage her self esteem by telling her she is being naughty ALL THE TIME!

Add into this a lovely but incredibly energetic and boisterous four year old and I am starting to get to the position where I don't really want to take them out on my own because I can't manage both of their behaviour at the same time without getting incredibly stressy and shouty.

So, does anybody have any advice? Our mantra at the moment is "be consistent, use rewards and consequences, and TRY to be calm" but I am finding it all so draining and feel a complete failure at the moment.

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frazzledbutcalm · 14/08/2012 11:00

Oh my goodness you have my daughter! Wink
Firstly, you are not alone! I have 4dc - ds1 'normal' text book child, dd1 headstrong awkward, dd2 the shy one, ds2 the funny clown. Mine have been brought up identically and are all different and respond differently to things and need different discipline punishments. So the first thing you need to realise is this is probably just your daughters personality. I'll talk now about my daughter which you will probably relate to:-
From 2 weeks old I knew my daughter was different - been here before, awkward, stubborn! I must admit it took me a good few YEARS to realise that this is who she is and I cannot change the way she is. She always wants what she hasn't got, then when she gets it she wants something else instead. Wherever we go she usually spoils it, complains, sulks. Every day was spent battling with her, telling her no, chastising her. ALL DAY. Up until the age of about 10 we used to constantly be saying "why is it you always spoil everything" ... we could be having a lovely time and it was like she suddenly thought "oh hang on this is all too nice, better kick off" .. so she did!
The way I learned to deal with her .... accept her for who she is. Very difficult when she's not the way you want her to be. I keep saying now that at least in later life no-one will walk over her! She'll be able to get what she wants and go where she wants in life. I chose my battles with her, sometimes I didn't like what she did/played/wore but if it didn't harm anyone else then just let her get on with it. The more I told her no the more she wanted to do it and kept trying. So I learned to let her 'win' the battles over things that didn't really matter - what she wore/how she played with friends/etc. I put my foot down though on the things that DID matter - physically hurting others, safety issues etc. I couldn't stop her sulking so I just ignored it and let her get on with it. Just went about our own day/fun and let her either sulk or join in. She would be sent to sit in car/stairs/hallway to remove her from spoiling our fun. She's 13 now and has settled down dramatically, mind the punishment now is removal of her whole life blackberry, she'll do anything to keep it! So that works for me. She still tries to push the boundaries but she doesn't overstep them, I think because she know the consequences and actually doesn't really want to overstep them, she just wants to be awkward!
So advice to you:-
Be consistent with your rules/boundaries/discipline/punishment. Don't be unrealistic in your expectations. Set ground rules and follow through on punishment. Try to accept her for who she is. Her personality will have good bits, the bad bits will do something useful in later life. Let her sort her friends out, they'll either give back as good as they get or they'll just not play with her anymore. Most importantly, don't refer to her as 'naughty one, awkward one, stroppy one etc .. they then become that as its all they know. Always tell her you love her, please try and stop yourself from saying anything damaging/hurtful to her.
I'll keep chatting as and when you need advice so keep this in your watch box. Good luck.

clemetteattlee · 14/08/2012 11:11

Thank you SO much, you don't know how reassuring it is to hear someone else has been going through it and is able to manage it much better. You are exactly right in that I need to accept her for who she is. You'd think this would be easier as she is pretty much exactly the same as me (although I am not mean!). The personality traits that I find myself critical of are the ones that my own mother criticised me for (for almost forty years until I stopped contact) and so I am very keen to help her manage the "determined" side of her nature without being made to feel bad about it. I am failing at that at the moment.
Saying that I need to get a thicker skin. I KNOW that she doesn't behave the way she does because she is in any way a bad person, she is just negotiating her way through life the best way she can, and I need to help her with this rather than make her feel like she is naughty, but at times I can't help but take it all very personally. How do you manage to enjoy yourself as a family if one person is not happy??

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frazzledbutcalm · 14/08/2012 11:21

Just accept it's not your job to make her happy. That's something only she herself can do. You'll be surprised how quickly she'll change once the pressure is off and good boundaries are in place. As a family we just go about our day as we do, have trips as planned, we don't change anything because of her behaviour. If she chooses to be sulky and miss out then that's her problem. For the sake of us and her siblings we still have a good time. It's hard but honestly, when the pressure's off she changes and joins in. Also, be aware that actually she may be having a good time but doesn't want to let you see that.
I think the key is to keep letting her know she's loved and kind of ignore lots of things! You're right, she's not a bad person. When I think back to some of the things I did when I was young I could cringe. I was lovely, happy, loved and secure. But I could be pretty horrible to friends at times and just did some really stupid things, was quite spiteful. For no reason!

frazzledbutcalm · 14/08/2012 11:27

At times I was screaming inside at her behaviour/attitude but I learned to walk away. In the early days I would scream like a mad woman. I was so angry inside because of her that I felt I would explode! It is very, very hard and don't think I did this easily. It sounds easy when it's written down but it did take me years! Don't take it personally, a counsellor at our school told me dd behaves that way with me because she is confident in my love for her, so she can be who she is with me. I tried to remember that when she started her behaviour...

clemetteattlee · 14/08/2012 11:34

You are making me cry, but in a good way. It may sound entirely bonkers but maybe you could hold my hand through this??

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frazzledbutcalm · 14/08/2012 11:47

Absolutely will hold your hand Wink

frazzledbutcalm · 14/08/2012 11:49

Your tears are probably just relief that someone has been through this and got through it. And that finally you can get through this and can see light at the end of the tunnel.

frazzledbutcalm · 14/08/2012 11:50

I've just sent you a private message - 1st time I've ever done it but I think it's worked! If you want we can message that way?

clemetteattlee · 14/08/2012 16:48

I have replied. Thank you x

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