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Almost 4 year old's painting

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sowaddayasay · 03/07/2012 20:56

My little boy will be 4 soon and is very dexterous when manipulating toys and generally physically confident but his paintings are still scribbles and expressive swirls rather than anything that resembles characters. So, no faces or humans or anything that's meant to portray reality. He also has avoided colouring in and yesterday was in tears when he had to do some for nursery.

Would you worry?

Thanks in advance

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sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 13:59

thank you insancerre, it makes me sad too, but I dont want to give the impression that it was a big dramatic event...but still a little one shouldn't cry when facing colouring in...

:(

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insancerre · 04/07/2012 16:28

Most decent pre-schools/nurseries don't do colouring in anymore. It is pointless.
We don't do it in the outstanding nursery I work in.
We don't do homework either
And we certainly don't force children to do painting or recognisable pictures.
Yesterday the painting activity, for children who chose to do it, was mixing squirty paints with their hands. They also had a collection of rollers, brushes, combs, squidgees etc to experiment with on the table. Not even any paper involved.
fwiw, my pictures are just swirls too- I haven't mastered drawing people and I'm old.
I really wouldn't worry about it. if he loves cars then let him use the cars in paint to make tracks

ThePathanKhansWitch · 04/07/2012 16:32

My dd is 4.6 y, her drawings of people are horrifying, we all look like members of the Klu Klux Klan. I always wanted an arty farty child. Sigh.

sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 20:43

insancerre, your nursery sounds great but, just to be clear, nobody was making my boy colour in, they very occasionally have homework in preparation for school.

It saddens me that he finds it stressful and it so happens that I have seen a good few children younger than him that draw representations of the world around them quite happily, and it made me wonder...

But I don't want to give the impression that the nursery (or his dad and I) are making him do something he dislikes.

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sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 20:46

ThePath, did you accidentally set any crosses on fire?

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ThePathanKhansWitch · 04/07/2012 21:06

Never, I swear Grin.

Just as an aside, I remember reading an article years ago about the colours children use in paintings. My youngest brother had hugesticky out rather large ears (his head has since grown into themGrin), at some point during his first weeks in reception he was teased about them.

After that he'd always colour his ears black in paintings Sad. He grew out of it and didn't seem damaged by it, just strange.

Timandra · 04/07/2012 21:09

Children learn from playing and doing things they enjoy.

You have said that your DS cried when faced with the homework and that you encouraged and helped him to do it.

I really don't want to appear to be critical here but it's important to think about why you encouraged him to do it.

Was it because the nursery wanted it done? If so they have sent an inappropriate task for him and I would have sent it back saying he was upset and didn't want to do it.

Was it because you thought it would help prepare him for school homework. Why does he need to be prepared for homework at the age of three? He won't need to significantly boost his learning by doing regular homework for several years yet and this will simply create or reinforce a negative view of homework.

Was it because you thought he would learn from it? He will learn very little at this age from an activity he has to be encouraged to participate in. He needs to be self motivated and have a desire to achieve the task. All he's learned is that he definitely doesn't like colouring in.

My advice would be don't ask him to do any homework, just allow him to do it if he wants to. Don't invite or encourage him to colour, draw or write. Leave materials available to him and when the time is right for him he will do it.

In the meantime it sounds like he is a very able child who is busy working really hard developing other skills because that is where his interests lie. You'll probably find that when he is ready to pick up pens he will become very able very quickly at that too.

sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 21:59

Those are interesting points Timandra, but don't you think that sometimes we do need encouragement to try something out we haven't really done before? He has done some homework before, never alone but with me or DH helping him along to make a collage or learn a little poem.

I don't see anything wrong with homework, especially the kind that happens once a month...

He does ask to paint, but seems disheartened by the fact that he's not following the lines, so shouldn't I help him try? Should he just avoid what he finds challenging?

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sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 22:00

Haha I hope I don't come across like some sort of tiger mother chasing her son around with a paintbrush Grin

Honest!

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sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 22:01

ThePathanKhansWitch, what a sad story about your little brother colouring his ears black in paintings...poor little lad... :(

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sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 22:05

The attitude I'd like to inspire in my son is "lets have a go, it doesn't have to work but we will still give it a try". So, I always praise him when he has a go, apart from when he stabs the brushes on the page and needs reminding he should be gentle. And he is happy to run around with the painting he has made, besides like I mentioned earlier his genuine desire is just to play with his cars and jump off the sofa.

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Rubirosa · 04/07/2012 22:24

How bizarre that the nursery set homework! Like insancerre I have not heard of a nursery doing "colouring in" for donkeys years. Are you in the UK?

sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 22:25

Yes, it's in the UK, in London...does nobody colour in anymore? Really?

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timetosmile · 04/07/2012 23:03

I colour in.
Yesterday DC did Lightning McQueen again and I sat next to him colouring Doc Hudson. (mine is better Wink)
It's a nice 10 minute sit down chatty time with a cuppa which we both enjoy.
Very companionable.

sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 23:04

that sounds lovely timetosmile

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Timandra · 04/07/2012 23:28

For some children colouring can be a nice safe relaxing activity and I'd hope that if they wanted to do it a nursery would provide it because if nothing else it supports some of the fine motor skills children need to develop for writing.

It simply doesn't particularly support learning and shouldn't really be feature of an Early Years curriculum.

OP, I think it's fine to encourage children to persist in something they've chosen to do but not if the child was in tears and not if the child didn't even want to start the activity in the first place.

If a child chose to start a colouring activity for a purpose like producing a picture to give to someone and then became worried about it not being good enough I would offer lots of encouragement and support because the child had a target he/she was motivated to achieve and would benefit from completing it.

If I was going to encourage a child to engage in an activity they don't want to do I'd have to be very clear that there was a significant benefit to him/her.

If your son asks to paint and would like you to help him that is great. If the nursery send work home for him and he wants to do it that's great too, although I'm not sure that homework itself is of any benefit at his age.

Please don't think I'm suggesting that you don't participate in joint activities with your son. It is just about the best way for him to learn. I simply wouldn't guide him towards activities he wouldn't choose to do and I certainly wouldn't ask him to do something just because the nursery has sent it home as homework.

Children learn best through playing and following their interests. Going with your son on his voyage of discovery, finding activities which engage and excite him is a much better way to help him to be a confident and persistent learner. This will, eventually, mean he gets far more from school and from homework for years to come. It's also much more fun for us than persuading them to complete a task they are not enjoying Smile

tethersend · 04/07/2012 23:35

I'm an art teacher; colouring is the very worst activity you can do to develop artistic ability and enjoyment IMO. (Try The Anti-Colouring book for some good structured activities which build confidence)

You cannot make him enjoy art; but you can encourage him by widening his concept of what art is; never force him to do art, and try and move away from art as representation. Think of it as a process, which is what he will be assessed on later in his school life, rather than an end product. Swirls are great- they are fun to do Smile

Use collage, clay, printing, marbling, paint etc, and just let him play, rather than trying to labour over making a 'picture'. Try putting old bedsheets in the garden and squirt paint over them from squeezy bottles- anything fun where the end result is not important.

Any nursery which is forcing children to draw representational pictures or colour in hasn't got a bloody clue about art education.

rockinhippy · 04/07/2012 23:42

I want to help him and draw more with him but he gets stressed and insists he can't do it and cries

I agree about not worrying - just encourage him to play with paints & colours & let him get as messy as he like & let him see that colouring in accurately isn't really such a big deal when theres so many more interesting ways to create Wink

& as for him not being an artist like you & DP - Actually it could go either way :)

My own DD has always been a bit that way inclined too, still can be even at 9 - it's the mile wide perfectionist streak in her, coupled with artistic temperament - if she thinks its not up to her massively exacting high standards - forget how good it really is for her age - she either puts no effort in at all or gets very stressed & upset that its not good enough

even now she still compares herself to adult artists & hates that she's not that good - she was worse when tiny - even though with the right kind of none competitive (in her eyes) she could at times draw brilliantly well.

She's G&T & considered highly talented in all things Art & crafts -

sowaddayasay · 04/07/2012 23:49

Thanks tinandra and tethersend, you've given me a lot to think about.

But can I just say again, he was not forced to do anything, not from the nursery and not by us. I think I painted the wrong picture (see what I did there).

I can definitely see I need to relax and not worry, thanks for taking my fear away.

I must say you're right about the nursery having no clue about art education, they make it up by using lots and lots of glue in absolutely everything. That's their signature style. My boy loves glitter by the way, blue glitter is the best thing ever.

PS1 The anti-colouring book has just been ordered :)

PS2 I still like colouring in though Blush

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rockinhippy · 04/07/2012 23:52

sowadaisy - the other point that might be relevant - you say you draw well - upsetting as it is, that could actually be the problem - he sees you do it well & compares his efforts to that & sees failure - cue meltdown/brown splodge in protest.

I know this as my DD has always done this, still does a bit, home work & art projects can still be massively stressful around here as she'll ask me to show her how to draw something, then go into meltdown or give up because she can't do it as well - yet she won't let me teach her anything either - thats my being bossy & taking over apparently Confused - even though I don't, I encourage her to think for herself, but sometimes try & show her technique :(

over the years I have found using things like collage, abstract painting, printing, mosaic etc etc all much easier & has built up her confidence & lowered the stress

rockinhippy · 04/07/2012 23:56

I've just remembered - have you tried the stained glass art stencils that you colour in - these helped DD a lot when younger - yes theres lines to follow, but just splashing colour in & afterwards pin it to the window & they still look great no matter how messy they are - DD loved these - I found them in our local art supply shop,

SummerRain · 05/07/2012 00:18

Ds1 was at school before he ever drew a recognisable picture... He just doesn't have much interest and lack of practice meant when he did take it into his head to draw he couldn't.

He 6 soon and still isn't an artistic genius by any means but he can do stick people and animals and really excellent houses Wink

We never pressured him and when his peers at school commented and upset him we explained that everyone has different talents and it's not compulsory to be good at or enjoy art.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/07/2012 07:23

What is wrong with colouring in? DS1 really likes it, he makes up stories as he colours the picture.

rockinhippy · 05/07/2012 10:55

Nothing Alibaba Hmm but if you read the OP/thread properly you will see in this instance it causes the the DS & therefore the OP a lot of upset & stress

tethersend · 05/07/2012 11:36

Oh no, there is something wrong with colouring in- IMO, it hampers children's creative development, confidence and mark making skills and creates a dependency on 'outlines', ie children feel unable to tackle a blank page. It teaches them that they need guidelines, which is the antithesis to artistic development.

And most colouring books are shit Grin