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julia1974 · 18/06/2012 09:50

My baby will be 5mths old next week, and he still wakes up every few hrs duing the night. It has got so bad, i have to bring him downstairs and leave him in front of the tv while i sleep on the sofa, and its really affecting my sleep. Is this normal behaviour, i have tried everything. I have read Gina Ford (didnt work), and have been doing a 'dream feed' at 10pm (doesnt really work), he still wakes about 1am, then every hr or so after that, but he is not even hungry!!! Any advice would be great, as i'm really not enjoying him. He does nap during the day and has 4-5 full 8oz feeds, but it has just taken 45mins of screaming in his cot before he has finally gone to sleep???

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Iggly · 18/06/2012 10:00

Sorry to hear it's hard. Are you putting him in front of the tv in the day or night?

I'd suggest you cuddle for naps - at this age it's naps that are important, not how they get there. You can work in self settling for those once he's in a routine. A rough routine for my DD at that age was awake for 1-2 hours then down for a nap. Gina Ford timings don't work for many babies (and in fact I've read that she originally didn't write the book that way, it was changed).

There's quite a big developmental leap around 4-5 months where their brains go a bit mad with all the things they're learning. Messes with sleep too. Best thing is to sleep with baby right next to you at night so you can resettle them quickly. I used to have the cot next to my bed.

Go to bed early and ditch the dream feed. You can get a good chunk of sleep until 1am that way. The waking every 45 mins sounds like he's overtired (hence my suggestion about naps - just get him napping by any means necessary). Try putting him to bed early too - DD and DS did better with being asleep between half 6 and 7pm. A week or so of this should help things along.

Finally getting outside really helps with feeling tired! And it gets you both fresh air which is also good.

Moxxie · 19/06/2012 07:16

I'm on MN this early because I've been up since 5.30 with my son (almost 6 months). I say since 5.30, but last night was truly horrific and I'd be surprised if I got more than 20 minutes sleep in a row...

No words of wisdom as clearly I don't have this cracked, but thought I would commiserate. I definitely agree with Iggly that getting naps down helps (yesterday was a mess for us, hence last night).
I know the last thing you want to hear is that you just have to grin and bear it, but I think that really is the case. Everyone I know from my antenatal group is going through the same thing, even those smug gits whose babies were previously sleeping through (ha!). Just think how nice it will be to see the new skills your baby is working on when they finally appear - mine has found his feet in the last week and is rolling around a lot more.

Now I know why my mum used to hoover noisily outside my bedroom when I was a teenager languishing in bed. Payback!

zambooloo · 19/06/2012 09:25

Same probs here with nearly 6mo dd. there are afew threads in sleep with lots of tips. I'm working on the naps right now too - although great maps yesterday & shit night! But hey... As I've heard a million times before... This too shall pass!

chocolatetester1 · 19/06/2012 21:08

Poor you, lack of sleep is a nightmare. I recommend Tizzie Hall. I used the naps to teach my DS to self settle because I was feeling stronger during the day than at night (when I was just plain old desperate). I started this about 4 months. I think it's important to teach the self settling so that the baby can put themselves back to sleep between sleep cycles (when they wake every few hours at night).
Here goes:

Tizzie Hall's self settling method in brief:
First learn to tell the difference between an emotional/ hungry cry (waa waa waa waa waa continuously) and a protest cry (wa wa waaaa pause while listening for Mummy - wa wa waaa pause whilst etc etc). Protest crying can be ignored , the other kind can't. Protest crying can go on for a while, especially if baby is expecting you to come in as usual. DS went on for 1hour 9 mins the first time I left him (morning nap), 9 mins the second time (afternoon nap) and didn't cry at all in the evening for bed time, it was that quick. We were lucky and I was prepared to stick it out for 2 or 3 days before seeing an improvement, so I was impressed.

Make sure you put baby down dry, well fed, no wind, good temperature, happy and with a cloth comforter that smells of you - the old stuff it down the bra for a bit trick. I attach DS's to the cot bars with plastic loopy links so it can't fall out.

Choose a day you're feeling strong. Make sure you've done all of the above , give baby a short hug/kiss/say 'nap time' and put baby down in cot and walk away quickly, shut the door if you normally do. And stay away. No going back in after 5/10/15 mins because this gives the baby mixed messages and leads them to expect comfort from you when the whole point is you want them to self settle.

When baby wakes, even if they haven't been asleep long, go and get them and have a much needed (for you!) hug. At night time, only go in if it's time for a feed.

This method can be quite draining at the beginning but works quickly so I suggest start in the morning when you feel at your strongest and keep busy during the crying. I also bought a video monitor before starting as I knew this would give me the reassurance I needed. Best money I've ever spent!

This is a review of Save Our Sleep that I wrote for the local NCT mag, I include it as it'll give a reasonable overview:

As with most baby sleep books, you tend to reach for them when you?re at your wits? end. The great thing about this book is that you can read the whole thing if your sleep deprived mind can cope ? or you can turn to the 2 pages that lay out a routine for your baby?s age and just follow it! If you?ve really had enough, (like we had after 4 months of naff all sleep) pp71-78 cover how to teach your baby to self settle. Reading about ?protest crying? as opposed to ?emotional crying? gave us the confidence to let our baby get on with it and I finally stopped rocking him to sleep in my arms (which was causing me to slowly wither inside).

If you?re lucky enough to read this book before having your first baby, then it?s a very thorough guide to milk feeds and solids, health and illness, settling and sleeping, whether for single babies, multiple births or premature babies.

The main message I took from this book is that once the daytime sleeps and routine are settled, the night sleep will gradually fall into place. Tizzie Hall?s daytime routines may seem a bit strict, but having a routine can make it easier to get out and about. Also, the routines are for the baby ? not for us! We can eat, sleep, go out when we like!

The routines are set out according to age and have times for milk feeds, solid feeds if baby is ready, sleep/nap times, a dreamfeed and bed. They start from about 1 week old and continue until 2 years old. The daytime sleeps are pretty much set in stone but the writer recognises the importance to parents of getting out and about, so she?s keen for the baby to sleep through shopping/coffee out etc. One of the ways she recommends babies be taught to self settle is with a cloth comforter which can be used wherever the baby is sleeping ? cot, pram, car seat etc. I hadn?t bought these before as I hadn?t realised how much of a comfort they are but having seen them in action, I?m convinced.

Tizzie Hall has a website where you can shop for the products she recommends in her books and they do seem to be good quality. You can buy many similar items on the general market, sometimes quite a lot cheaper, but it?s good for ideas:
www.saveoursleep.co.uk

I really hope this helps, good luck.

ZuleikaD · 20/06/2012 09:03

It's perfectly normal - both mine woke several times a night until they were 9 and 10 months. DS had nights where he was awake every 40 minutes. Don't worry, keep feeding at night and it will pass.

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