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Crazy ANGER in my 6 yr old DD....bit long, sorry :-(

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Wolfgirl · 01/06/2012 09:43

I wonder if you mums could help. I've been reading through some other threads on this forum, and I can't believe what great advice is being given out. I just don't think out of the box, and end up getting as badly upset as my DD.

So, here is the issue. DD cannot make friends at school, Rainbows or anywhere she goes. She is not girly girly, and skips around holding hands. No child skips up to her at school calling her name and then giving her a hug. Quite the opposite, she comes running back out of her classroom crying, saying the kids are bullying her and telling her to go away.

This has been going on pretty much most of year 1, possibly even in reception. I have spent many nights after school in discussion with the teachers about it and they have promised to bring up the subject of 'inclusion' and 'making friends' in the course of the day\week. They have also created a mood book for her, and have spent many a break time or lunch time out of their own time, to sit with her and talk.

DD could not speak till she was 3 yrs old, not properly, as she had severe glue ear, and the doctors took long to agree that there was a speech problem and she needed help. This set her back both emotionally and mentally. She still has speech issues, and cannot pronounce words very well, and the kids pick up on that. She also has a very deep voice, not Peppa pig at all ;-) She says the children laugh at her, and her face is not cute and she is ugly. just more arrows in her heart. She is actually... a very pretty little girl, and I don't think I'm being biased.

But in other ways she is a very bright button. she is now average in her class, having come up from the very bottom. Maths and English... being her best subjects. Her hand writing is amazing.... in fact, even though she hates school and the thought of learning... she is doing ok. She would rather be back in nursery though, where she can just play and not get told off.

So that is school life. At home, DH and I have had a rough time in the marriage, and upset was\ can be rife. I did not marry till nearly 40, and I am older mum. No sooner did I have my second child - DD - than chronic fatigue and other ailments kicked in. I carried on working, but my mental health just got worse and worse. I was just surviving day to day, robotic like.

Because I couldn't meet DH's 'needs' a rift grew between us, and whilst we plod along, and all is not lost... we keep going and try. But the way we speak to each other is wrong. This year, after 11 years with my company I was made redundant. I had opportunity to take on another role, but we felt it was right for me to stop, given my health and the needs of the children. Best thing I have done in a long long time.

So, I get the kids sorted in the morning, and the stress levels have lowered considerably. I do the school run and take two little girls in too, and then their parents do the pick up. My children do not like the father, but then his children are incredibly behaved, and mine... even though I say it myself, are unruly and disobedient. The father does not tolerate my children, and his behaviour is less than favourable to them. I am sorting this now, and have agreed with my children that I will pick them up each night from the new school term. Have actually done it all this week.

I know in all I have said, it is easy to see that things have really not been easy. The other side of the coin, the nice side... is that she is dearly loved, I am very physical with her, lots of love and cuddles, and hair stroking etc. I do the 'reading' with her, and it is at this quiet time, that I have my little chats, and find out how her day has been, what she is thinking\feeling. I do my best to be positive and try to get her to think differently. Even though I have fatigue, we are actually an active family, and go on holidays abroad each year, we mix with other families, we are church goers and mix in that community. Now I am at home... I am able to pace myself and actually give them time when the both come in from school... although sometimes this does not seem to be enough. Also, dh and I, do get on much much better, and whilst rough agitated low tolerance 'talk' still goes on, there are plenty plenty times of nice times and talk.

Please could someone think out the box for me, and guide me what to do next? My mind and head is like mud and I cant think any more. I thought I knew so much, but clearly I don't.

Thanks for taking time to read, and listening. xx

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frankiiesense · 01/06/2012 10:02

sorry, Am I right in believing that DD is your second child?
how old is first child? - any obvious or even hidden jealousy at 'new' arrival
what's the age gap?
what's the oldest child like with DD?, do they share time, toys, games, anything or has DD learnt to protect and defend possessions, toys, books,
Do you play sharing games, with two kids? A great way to learn sharing in school is to do sharing at home. Also, I know schools that do 'pals' schemes where older children befriend younger kids, or 'play stops' where if a child has no-one to play with they wait by a 'play stop' and the other kids are expected to try to include them. but the lessons of sharing etc. begin at home.

insanityscratching · 01/06/2012 10:18

I think you should see your GP and ask for a referral to CAMHS and also to a developmental paed so as to establish that there are no underlying issues. Does dd still receive speech therapy? If not I'd request a referral there too.

Wolfgirl · 01/06/2012 10:25

morning rankiiesense DS is 8 years old. From the outset we encouraged him to love her and share toys with her. I guess there will always be sibling rivalry, and yes... they do squabble big time... but equally then can play beautifully together. DD can get very frustrated with DS but then it would be him that caused it... such as putting his foot out to trip her up, or hogging the tv and not letting her watch something she wants. Always requires parental involvement Wink

We do encourage them to share and to love each other, and I try to ban words such a 'hate' in the house. Difficult, that one Wink

If one were to be a fly on the wall, I think one might think we were no different to any other 'normal' family. Things have been tough, yes, but we hold good morals, and just try to do our best.

I just dont know... outside what I already know, what to do now. How can I get other children to 'like' my daughter? I've tried encouraging her to choose a friend to come home for tea... nothing! I had to have the teacher think on my\her behalf who she could invite to her party. We spent over £120 on the party, but she just sat by herself, entertained herself and wouldn't join in.

Sad I just want good things for her. But her anger takes to me the edge and I end up.... after trying my utmost best to remain calm, getting cross with her, because I have no alternative options to calm her down. I wont succumb to bribing her, or offering her treats, when she does not deserve them. I can't promise her that if she be good, we will do x,y,z... because inevitably she never does what she should.

We end up treating her regardless, but not for good or bad behaviour. Just because we love her.

again... Sad

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Wolfgirl · 01/06/2012 10:30

insanityscratching - there are two teachers taking her class, and one of them agreed to looking into speech therapy.

I have not as yet followed it up. We did have a lady come to the house when she was at her worst, but DD was not interested, and the lady became exasperated.

Because I have and still do suffer ill health, things are done quite slow in our house. I have to create lists all the time, else I forget. The older I've gotten, the more I can't seem to get things done... little things like sending birthday cards, or a note of concern to a friend... things like that.

The kids are well fed, they are dressed modern\fashionably and well... they have zillions of toys, bikes, scooters, water guns, tennis rackets.... a beast of a climbing frame, paddling pool, log cabin.... lego galore, dollys galore..... both go to clubs... they do not go without. At all.

Sad
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insanityscratching · 01/06/2012 10:54

Not implying at all you are neglectful (really hope my post hasn't come across that way Blush) just that speech delay/social and behavioural difficulties could all be linked and that possibility should be investigated as there may be a reason behind dd's difficulties that with the right input could enable her and you to find life easier.
As for dd not being co operative well that's children for you and the person who came to support dd should have had a wealth of strategies at hand to motivate dd so that failure at that time was most definitely not dd's.

Wolfgirl · 01/06/2012 11:00

oh no, no not all, I wasn't saying that lol, no.

Thanks for your time m'dear. I really am tired, and at wits end with her. We are off camping this evening, so hopefully she will enjoy the break. I will follow this up after half term. Something is eating away at her. Her melt downs and screaming.... like ear piercing, and prolonged... must not be doing her any good. I know when I'm frustrated or hurt, I just want it to go away. she must feel the same.

My sister says I molly coddle her, but I insist, sometimes we forget they are only children, not mentally\emotionally developed, cant even cope with their own tantrums etc.... and just want to be molly coddled out of their bad mood.

Heck, don't we all sometimes!! Confused

Will book in to visit the doctor soon. thanks xxxx

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Disneydreams · 01/06/2012 11:31

Just wanted to add my sympathy. My ds is struggling with anger too and I am at my wits end how to deal with it. Have tried everything. So no advice I'm sorry but just wanted you to know you're not alone. I think you're right that they are children at the end of the day and are bound to struggle with their emotions. Hope you are able to resolve things.

Wolfgirl · 06/06/2012 17:34

thank you Disneydreams - sorry for not responding sooner, we went camping and things got a bit manic.

I need help, n fast. I took DS to doctor this AM and mentioned DD. Was told to make an appointment for initial 'chat' - without her. So I will do that when they are back at school.

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boredandrestless · 06/06/2012 17:45

I agree with getting her referred to a developmental paediatrician for an assessment - ask GP to do this. Paed may then refer to speech and language, and/or CAMHS or you can ask for these referrals while you are at the GPs too.

Before you go back into GP's write a bullet point list of your concerns.

Things like:
lack of friends
speech still a little behind
temper meltdowns which take a long time to come round from
played alone at her birthday party of her own choosing

Obv you know her very well so can put any bits that concern you.

Disneydreams · 06/06/2012 17:45

I went on the early childhood news website and there is some info on there "helping young children manage the strong emotion of anger" there's a few steps you can take to help them deal with the anger in a "healthy" way. I have been doing it with my dc and its working! Have a look Smile

Disneydreams · 06/06/2012 17:46

Obviously still see your gp if you are concerned! X

Lolaismyfavouriteandmybest · 06/06/2012 20:10

She sounds a little like my dd (6 in a couple of months). My dd is visually impaired and was diagnosed with autism when she was 3. I am not suggesting that your daughter is autistic (although I second getting a referral just to be sure there are no issues), I just wanted to share how we deal with her social difficulties, I am also disabled by the way and have very little patience when I'm in pain (most days at the momentSad) so I can sympathise there too. I do far too much shouting and am surprised when dd has anger issues Blush

Since her ASD diagnosis we have actively taught social skills. We asked her teacher which child dd showed signs that she could be friends with and started inviting her round for tea. Getting them playing was (and still sometimes is) hard work. My mum (I work full time so my mum has done the after school play dates) has need fantastic at modelling how dd should play play, diffusing tensions and forging common interests. What happened then was dd formed an obsessive friendship with this child which has been as much of a concern as no friendships! So we now have 5 or 6 regular friends (again teachers recommended children who they felt would get on with dd) my DM still does one or 2 play dates a week! (costs me a fortune in extra food Grin)

We do Rainbows and ours is rubbish in terms of friendship potential, all they encourage is along side activities rather than social interaction stuff, I wanted to bin it as it takes away a play date night but DD loves it.....

Wolfgirl · 06/06/2012 20:12

thanks boredandrestless - good idea to make bullet point list! I had actually thought of printing my initial post above and making doc read that before launching into anything else. I tend to forget so much I want to say, so this is a good idea... and I'll make a double appointment! Wink

Disneydreams where is the news website please? I shall google those keywords, but hoping Im not being a numbskull and it actually being here on MN Blush

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Wolfgirl · 06/06/2012 20:22

wow Lolaismyfavouriteandmybest - thank you for sharing. Not that it makes me feel 'better', but its good to know I'm not alone (iykwim).

I have tried the route of inviting friends home... but again, she seems to play for a short while, then poodle off on her own, or get angry with them!!!!

I have actually had one mum respond to a 'come for tea' invite, that my daughter was not actually her daughters friend, so she thought it not appropriate. I tried again, some time later, and another response from the mother asking to meet me. Acceptable request I thought, but she has not once made an effort to come and say hello, and seems to avoid eye contact when I see her.

I will follow this through, as she is too precious to me to let her carry on in a wild as horses fashion.

We had another melt down this morning, over a pair of shorts. I have put both kids onto a mult-sports holiday group at a local school, and the moaning from both was unbelievable. I want to do football, I dont want to do that... even though I discussed the options with both before booking.

I wonder sometimes if we spoil our kids, and they would have been better off seeking out bugs in the garden, as us going to the park!

I hope things get easier for you. xx

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Disneydreams · 06/06/2012 20:46

Just google the website then you can browse articles x

Lolaismyfavouriteandmybest · 06/06/2012 22:13

I think it was easier for us as we started down this road in nursery. It's going to be harder as friendship groups are more established. I would say the trick is finding the right child, so the teacher may be able to help you. Maybe you will have to spoil the child (we have been known to take our play dates to the ice cream van outside school so that child x (who was mean when dd wanted here to come to play) saw child y get an ice cream..... And keep it short to start with. If you know your dd can only handle playing for half an hour then make plans for someone to play for that time and no more. End the play date on a successful note and build up to longer times (easier if you have understanding parents of the other children I know....). Or you could interrupt play when you see dd struggling and start something like a craft activity which requires no social skills from dd. Then roll out tea.... Once she has a few successful play dates her confidence will increase so much.

I feel hypocritical typing like we have it all solved, we really don't. There are the first rumblings of other girls starting to notice thar dd is different and pick on her. Not sure if I should be inviting the potential bullies over and helping them play better or striking them off the list until they play nice Grin

And we are still completely stumped by her out of control temper tantrums. Nothing we say or do has any effect once she's gone off on one.....

Any way, if you are anywhere near Rotherham (South Yorkshire) your dd is welcome to come to play Smile

Lolaismyfavouriteandmybest · 06/06/2012 22:18

Ooops forgot to say that it may help to do some ground work, practice what you might do when a friend comes to play, who gets to choose the activity, what to do if you don't want to do what the friend is doing, etc..... you really need to get inside her head and work out what she finds difficult.

And regarding the anger, would you describe your dd as defiant?

girlgonemild · 06/06/2012 22:39

Sorry this sounds hard work for you.
You mentioned church... I wonder if there is any extra support there? Maybe chat to the vicar or children's minister and see if they can help or have any training or resources to offer you.
Lots of church organisations run parenting courses which might help you feel supported or give you strategies. Also the marriage course could be lovely for you and dh to go and have time to talk together about your relationship and goals etc.
Care for the family does a whole series of books which might help. The marriage course also has a book you might like. You can access a lot of their resources online at www.careforthefamily.org.uk
The more sources of help you ask for the more likely you'll find the right help I guess!

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