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How do you respond to rudeness from other kids in your home?

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MsMommy · 26/04/2012 11:15

DD had one of her best friends over for tea yesterday. They do the same club on the same night and we alternate weeks. It's good. The girls are good friends and play nicely together.
But this girl can be extremely rude to us, especially my OH. Last night things deteriorated and the girls were playing up and being poorly behaved at the dinner table, something we would never accept from our own girls. They were flicking drinks around, and inevitably it got spilled on the table, on themselves, on their plates. Despite several warnings they wouldn't calm down and were just generally doing silly and unpleasant things with their food so it got quite irritating and is a very poor example for younger DD who ends up copying.
When we told them off the friend responded by shouting 'I like having fun!' as if this was acceptable playing, and then roared in my OH's face 'I want more food! Bring me more food!' They are seven so well aware of what's acceptable behaviour and way to speak to adults. My OH was furious as it's not the first time she's shouted in his face like that.
In the end they got down from the table without dessert because it didn't seem right to reward the behaviour. Subsequent efforts to explain / chastise were ignored. OH told her in our house she must abide by our rules. In the car en route to the club I asked her how her mum would think that was and I turned to catch her pulling faces at me.
TBH we were shocked at the complete disregard for our telling off, and total lack of respect for us. We are quite strict parents. Probably too strict. And if it had been just our girls we would have told them off quite strongly and it would have stopped straight away. I didn't feel I could be as strong with her since, if I shout at my girls that's one thing, but it seems wrong to shout at other people's kids. But on the other hand failing to emphasise how strongly we felt about it seems to have meant it had no impact on her.
OH wants me to speak with the girl's mum and feels that if she behaves like that with us she will not be welcome in our home. But in general I like the girl, I like that the girls have a good friendship and I would like to encourage it. I like the mum, they're a good family, and I know if I say anything she will be mortified and apologetic.
I don't want to go to her with a big list of moans that she will feel obliged to apologise for. I don't want her to go home and tell her kid off, although I would appreciate a conversation with her daughter about not speaking to us like that, and I don't want this girl to feel like she doesn't want to come to our house and that my DD has got the most evil ogre parents in the world.
But I am clueless how to play it. I said wait and see if it happens again and next time I will make it clear to her that she will not be welcome with behaviour like that in our house, but OH thinks we should address it now. But I don't know how to without really upsetting the mum.

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 26/04/2012 11:20

Don't shout at her and don't have a word with the mum.

I find it's best to keep it light, without being so light-hearted they think you're an absolute soft touch. If they were mucking about like that at the table, I'd say oy, stop acting like a complete fool or something. But your dd will be mortified if you tell her friend off in front of her, and IME the child will go to school and say 'x's mum is horrible! She shouts at you!' - unfair, but probable, and horrid for your dd.

Telling off other people's children is never a good idea in the end unless you really really really have to. You say you know you're a bit strict - could you back off a bit? Different rules for guests and all that.

thisisyesterday · 26/04/2012 11:24

i would have split them up and made one eat elsewhere.

shouting in anyone's face would have got "X, do not speak to MrMommy like that, it's very rude"

tbh though if she is always like it I think i'd be inclined to say to her mum that you're happy to pick their daughter up for club but that for the time being you can't have her over because their combined behaviour is not good

Beanbagz · 26/04/2012 11:30

In my nicest calmest voice i generally explain to the unruly child that that's not how we behave in our house. (I don't think shouting at them helps.) If they don't like it they don't get invited again and if their parents asked if they behaved themselves, i tactfully tell the truth.

Maybe some of my DCs friends think i'm strict but my DCs don't complain. Our house so our rules!

I have been known to tell their friends off in the car, told random kids off for messing about in the Doctors Surgery and marched a troublesome child over to the surpervising teacher in the playground before school one morning. Trouble is it was the child of one of the other teachers! Shock

lisaro · 26/04/2012 11:30

Personally, I'd want to know if my child behaved like that. I actually think you should tell her mum and let her deal with it.

MsMommy · 26/04/2012 12:22

Gawd, it's so tricky isn't it? And all your different responses agree! Thank you so much for taking the time.
You know, they are seven, and I do get that kids all have their moments and particularly when playing together they work each other up and can be little 5h*ts. The pair of them sound like Beavis and Butthead with the incessant giggling! In the end it wasn't their behaviour at the table that particularly bothered us. My kids got into a food fight the other day, so I have seen worse! And unless they were killing each other I wouldn't shout at them, and we didn't, but we were shocked at how a) she just didn't give a toss when we'd said 'no, stop that now', but more specifically the shouting back at us and then total lack of respect when we were calmly trying to explain it wasn't acceptable and what would her mum say?
I know her mum sees behaviour / discipline in a similar way to us, and I know she shouts at her kids too (!) but in the end you have no way of knowing how far they follow through on behaviour / teaching respect and what they let them get away with.
The kids in her class seem to be going through a phase of pushing the boundaries on what they can get away with on answering back or general arsiness, and my DD has had her moments too with her 'dont' care!'s and so on, but we always react with an 'OY!' like SteamingNit to let her know it's not acceptable and that usually seems to do the trick.
Maybe it is just a phase that they'll grow out of and I should let it slide a bit, but then I keep thinking we just shouldn't be spoken to like that in our own home by some snotty little kid!
I don't know. I think I will talk OH out of the speaking to the mum for now, and just be much firmer / clearer next time.
Lol at BeanBagz and the teacher's kid!

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uptightmama · 26/04/2012 12:48

My dd is 6 and tbh if she did this at someones house, I would want to know - I wouldn'thold it against the other mum at all.Takes a village to raise a child, etc, etc - think is important all adults around a child ensure they behave well and certainly in my own home. I guess a lot depends on your relationship with the other mum though?

BackforGood · 26/04/2012 12:54

As they didn't respond appropriately to being reminded about how to behave, then I absolutely would have told the Mum when I saw her..(infront of child).... "I'm really sorry to have to say anything, but I thought you'd want to know....blah blah, describe behaviour.... say something about you don't know if it was over tiredness or if she was sickening for something but you certainly don't want that behaviour in your house again, and that you hope she's had a good long think about it before next week"
that way, you are letting child know it's totally unacceptable, but that you still want her to come round, just not with that behaviour, and she has a chance to think about it. The Mum knows and deals with it her end too.

Makes it more difficult if you didn't do it straight away / when you saw Mum at handover time though.

startail · 26/04/2012 13:03

I'm afraid I would have shouted at her and DD together and told them in no uncertain terms that if they want to be allowed to play together they behave.

I would strongly prefer not to have to involve the child's parents. A 6/7 yo knows that behaving like that is unacceptable.

And if they go into school and say Startail is horrible, I'm afraid Startail really isn't bothered. If they take it out on the DDs they will just have to live with it because it's unlikely a friend would play up that badly unless they joined in.

Fortunately DDs cheekiest friend also has pretty strict parents. She accepts a reprimand if she pushes it to far, she's far too bright to pretend she hasn't realised.

SquishyCinnamonSwirls · 26/04/2012 13:16

I'd want to know if it was my dd.

If it were a visiting friend then I'm afraid that they'd have been sent away from the table to sit on the stairs for time-out for speaking to an adult in that way. Exactly the same punishment as my dd, then they'd have been asked to come back to the table and apologise which if they did with good grace they could have desert.

Yes I'm very strict, I have a 3 strikes and you're out (I ask nicely once, I tell firmly once, I become very stern once and then that's it) but I have my own dd and all of my mindees to consider too. Funnily enough my house is always full of children and they all love coming here and respect my rules.

MsMommy · 26/04/2012 13:37

Thanks again for all your replies.
Cinnamon's approach sounds good. I think it's unfair on my kids if guests get away with stuff they can't.
I think I am being too airy fairy about it. At this age kids are used to whoever is in charge of them telling them what to do and I should have acted in the same way as I would with mine instead of pussy footing about and sending all the wrong messages. Yes, not shouting but definitely acting firmly.
I didn't see the mum at handover because I had the hairdryer going on my other DD so I didn't hear the door and OH answered but didn't say anything.
BackforGood is right though, not saying anything at the time feels like it's turned it into a big deal which I don't want it to be.
Part of the thing for not saying anything is because the girl is quite a fussy eater and we don't eat meat, so getting food into her can be tricky. One time she asked for something and then didn't like it and I felt I couldn't send her out to the club with no tea, so quickly cooked her an egg. When I explained to her mum, she had words with her DD about eating what you get given, which is right and what I would say, but I felt bad she got in trouble for it. Jeez I'm such a wuss!
Yes, I think you're all right. The behaviour is unacceptable and I shouldn't be afraid to tell the kid and perhaps have words with the mum at the time.
So, because I stuffed up this time and for the kids it is water under the bridge, I will leave it, but next time I will have the courage of my convictions and tell her firmly that's unacceptable and if necessary do a time out, and then say something low key to the mum.
Thanks so much for all your thoughts. It's been really helpful. :)

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