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How can help my DS (3.7 yrs) with his temper? Are we crap parents?

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MaryQueenOfSpots · 06/03/2012 12:20

My DS attends Pre-School 3 days a week and he has been having problems since he started. This is the second individual educational performance plan he has had. The first one was pretty vague but this one is much more specific and has the following goals:

  1. LittleSpot will use words to express his feelings and not lie on the ground and shout
  2. LittlleSpot will acknowledge other peoples feelings using the emotion cards with support of a staff member
  3. LittleSpot will respond first time to an adult telling him what to do

I am particularly anxious as he will be going to school a few days after he turns 4 and I just worry about whether he is going to be ready. As his parent it is obviously my job to try and do the right things, but I am not sure what the right things are anymore

I have ben reflecting on DS's social interactions outside of PreSchool to work out whether the problem is the PreSchool; annd I have to acknowledge that the behaviours that the PreSchool are worried about go on at home too. I am hoping that if we can sort it out at home, the PreSchool situation will also improve; so would be grateful for any advice.

I usually have to tell DS several times to do things (e.g. put your shoes on, go up for a bath). He gets a five minute warning that he will need to do these things. When I tell him its time for his bath or shoes or whatever he either ignores me, or says he is still playing. If he ignores me I get down to his level and tell him again. If he says he is still playing then I will say he can have 1 more minute, then after that minute he is told he needs to do whatever it is. He goes from looking quite calm to completely losing it in a millisecond, and I am at a loss to know what to do, he can't be reasoned with when he is lying on the floor shouting. At the moment I tell him that I understand he is angry but X Y Z is still going to happen and I follow this through, even if it means carrying him upstairs for his bath or putting his shoes on for him I tend to stay very calm; but I am wondering if I need to tell him that what he does is making me cross? Or whether a sticker chart for doing as he is told first time would help; or could it just lead to more problems???

I have also been thinking about his interaction with children outside of PreSchool (he is an only child); he will completely lose his temper if something doesn't go his way e.g. on Sunday he was playing with a ball at soft play and another child took it (he was distracted looking at something else; the other child was not being deliberately unkind). He said he wanted to play with it but the other child held onto it; I tried to distract him by telling him there were some other really cool bigger balls we could get, but he just completely flipped his lid, crying, lying on the floor kicking his legs. Suggesting he took a deep breath made him even more angry.By the time he had calmed down, the situation had moved on (the other child had lost interest in the sodding ball) and there wasn't the opportunity for him to try negotiating turn-taking or anything sensible. I do find these situations very embarrassing as his reactions are usually waaay over the top in relation to what has happened and I did what I usually do which is to take him away for a cuddle as he was crying his heart out. To be fair he did calm down quickly then, but jeeez. I really don't know how to help him deal with disappointment in a less dramatic fashion.

I have read him the 'Join in and Play' books and 'Talk and Work it Out' and draw his attention to other children who problem-solve to explain there are other ways of going about the same thing, but the penny is not dropping.

I am going around in circles in my head as I am worried that a too behavioural apporoach with sticker charts and time out is going to damage his self esteem (I suffer from recurrent depression and want to try and bring up a happy confident boy; on the other hand I don't want him to be a self-centred nightmare who can't consider other people. There must be some middle ground and I would be grateful for any ideas.

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MaryQueenOfSpots · 06/03/2012 12:45

anyone able to help?

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nearlytherenow · 06/03/2012 14:18

I would try a sticker / reward chart. You are likely to know fairly quickly whether this is something your DS will respond to. My eldest DS sounds fairly similar. We started a sticker chart system in conjunction with nursery, and his behaviour improved hugely, almost immediately. We didn't do much "negative" punishment (time-out type), only stickers for good behaviour, and a treat at the end of the week if he had enough stickers (if he did something naughty / was ignoring me / throwing a tantrum, I'd give him a 1-2-3 warning, the consequence being losing a sticker. I hardly ever got to 3). Nursery in particular really focused on good / kind behaviour - they gave him stickers for sharing, taking turns, being kind etc, so he'd often come home with quite a few stickers, and this was a real confidence boost. We did a month of this and after that there was no need, he was behaving so well.

MaryQueenOfSpots · 06/03/2012 20:49

Thanks for getting back to me, it's really useful to know what other peoples experiences are. I wonder how much the consistency between home and nursery helped in your situation? Little Spot's pre school aren't keen on sticker charts as they don't want to explain why one child gets a sticker and another doesn't. I can still try at home though. Many thanks again for posting Smile

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ilovesushi · 08/03/2012 21:12

Hi.

I don't have any good advice but I too am struggling with a 3 1/2 year old who has daily full on tantrums. Sometimes it's to do with being tired or over stimulated eg after a busy morning at pre-school but sometimes he has only been out of bed a few minutes and the raging starts.

The only thing that calms him down is if I give him a hug but sometimes I feel so wound up myself that is the last thing I want to do. He is also EXTREMELY clingy. Don't know if your boy is the same. I also have a little girl who is nothing like so I'm not beating myself up about parenting methods too much.

I have thought about doing stickers for myself (!) then maybe buying myself a present if I can get through a week dealing with him in a calm firm manner instead of joining in the shouting.

Anyway just wanted to share. Good to know I'm not the only one having a tough time. Good luck!

xxx

Lollydaydream · 08/03/2012 22:35

Hi, I'm not sure how much help I can be but reading your post I really wondered what the pre-school are doing to help your son achieve the goals they've set him? If they don't like stickers do they have other positive enforcement for when he does demonstrate the required behaviours? Have they given you any suggestions to use at home?
1. LittleSpot will use words to express his feelings and not lie on the ground and shout
Does he have the language to do this? (I ask because my dd did not and we had lots of incoherent tantrums because she couldn't express herself and we couldn't understand her).

On their 3rd target - I waste my life repeatedly asking my dd to do stuff (she just turned 4) and I do wonder how realistic an expectation it is, especially as your son is still so little. When you say you give him 5 minute warnings and then get down to his level if he ignores you does he hear you (either literally or through paying attention) the first time when you are not at his level?
Have you tried giving him choices, eg It's nearly bathtime do you want to go upstairs in 3 or 5 minutes? (actual time elapsed doesn't matter) or It's nearly bathtime do you want to tidy up or have a drink first? (This can work or can lead into circuitious negotiating.) For sharing I've picked up a great tip from nursery where you ask them how long a turn they would like, so the child with it has an x minute turn and then they do. It took my dd a while to get the hang of this (first few times were unpleasant) but now she runs with this.
I hope I've said something helpful! (Or at least nothing unhelpful!)

MaryQueenOfSpots · 13/03/2012 21:59

Hi Sushi and Lolly
Thanks for posting - I haven't MNetted for a few days, sorry for my delayed response to your supportive and thoughtful posts. Sushi I particularly like your suggestion of buying myself a reward for getting through the week Grin

Lolly I am pretty sure that DS does not have a physical hearing problem as he can hear the word 'cake' 3 rooms away! But having said that, he is sometimes so absorbed by whatever he is doing that perhaps he doesn't take in the instruction or quickly forgets what has been said. His general language is good, but talking about feelings is something he has only just started to get the hang of. Once he is upset I think he finds it really difficult to talk at all, bless him, and only a cuddle will calm him (which sounds similar to sushi's DS, good to know I'm not on my own with that!).

Lolly I have also wondered how realistic it is to expect DS to do as he is told first time, particularly as DH also struggles to obey my commands Smile I have been trying the choices thing you suggested and that seems to work quite nicely sometimes.

In the meantime I rang the Health Visitor team for some advice and they sent round a very lovely Nursery Nurse who is going to do a developmental check and observe him at his pre-school to see what advice she can give. If she has any good tips I will share!

Many thanks again for posting Thanks.

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