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I WANT X NOW! Normal toddler behaviour?

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DitaVonCheese · 01/01/2012 11:32

DD is just over 3 and used to be good at Ps & Qs but now spends a lot of time demanding stuff NOW MUMMY NOW Hmm Normal toddler behaviour or are we inadvertently raising a brat?

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Tee2072 · 01/01/2012 11:32

They don't call them Threeagers for nothing...what do you do when she does this?

Dlamis · 01/01/2012 11:42

Sounds normal.

My current most used phrases at the moment are

"don't speak to me like that"
"when you can ask nicely.................."
i also feign deafness and say "pardon?" alot until they change from "I want X!" to "Please can I have/do/etc X?"

Tis hard work

lindsell · 01/01/2012 11:51

My 2.8 Ds is like this quite often and I always make him
Ask nicely (i.e say please) or say not now - you can have it xxxxx (eg in 5 mins, when mummy's finished this etc) - his response is always don't want to wait at which I explain that he cannot always have everything he wants immediately and sometimes he needs to wait for someone else to finish what they are doing - sometimes this results in a tantrum (which I ignore) sometimes he'll get it and wait oh about 30 secs before asking again... Dc2 due in may so trying to get him used to waiting a bit/not always having everything he wants/thinking of others - it's an uphill battle!

DitaVonCheese · 01/01/2012 12:47

Tee probably nothing very consistent Blush I think usually I say "Can you ask me that in your nice voice?" or "Please don't speak to me like that" or go into a probably overly-long discussion about how that tone of voice is unlikely to get her what she wants. Ignore it quite often, but must also admit that sometimes I'm just not paying attention and just do whatever it is she's asking Blush

I guess I'm asking whether it's normal so I know whether (1) it's a normal phase and likely to resolve itself so long as we're reasonably firm and consistent or (2) we've made some terrible mistake somewhere along the way and need to take evasive action. So far it's sounding like (1), thank goodness.

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Latsia · 01/01/2012 12:52

Oh yes. Completely normal, along with:

I CAN DO IT MYSELF!!
Chirrup: Ok darling let me know when you get stuck.

IT'S MINE IT'S NOT YOURS!!
Mutter: bloody Charlie and Lola
Chirrup: No we take turns on toys, this isn't a toy it's a car key and Mummy is taking the car key or else we stay home. You decide

Gorgeous creatures.

Tee2072 · 01/01/2012 15:04

Ah yes. 'MINE!'

To which I either reply 'no one is saying it isn't yours but you must wait for blah blah blah' or 'No, not yours. Mummy's (or whomevers)'.

Totally normal. My SIL and her 2 year old were here over Christmas along with my 2.6 year old (and some others). We were both amazed that MINE! wasn't shouted once by either boy!

tethersend · 01/01/2012 15:08

yy another NOW here. I usually respond with "Good luck with that then" and ignore until she says please.

The MINE stuff has just started- we have been working on sharing, but I realised this may not be the best approach when she screamed at me "NO! I WANT TO SHARE BY MYSELF!" Grin

DitaVonCheese · 01/01/2012 15:16

Tethers that just made me lol Grin

Oh yes - bloody Charlie & Lola Hmm DD quite often "absolutely definitely must" have something.

Glad to hear that this is just another lovely stage of toddlerdom :)

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Vizzini · 01/01/2012 15:33

DD is a little younger (22 months) but she was wonderful at saying please and thank you without prompting (her speech is good for her age). Now she just says 'I want X'.
I usually just say 'ask nicely' or look at her meaningfully until she says please. I feel bad as she's so little and I know she's doing well but I know she can do it so I'm trying to be consistent.
In mass on Christmas Eve she shouted 'I want a sticker NOW, Mummy!' Blush Not as embarrassing as today when she grabbed my boobs and started talking about cows' udders!

youarekidding · 01/01/2012 15:34

"good luck with that then" Grin Pretty much the tone of my parenting!

or............

"oh do you now"
"well I' want a million pounds"
"do you? well why did you ask so quietly I didn't hear you" (for shouting!)

(DS is 7yo now though so really shouldn't be demanding anymore - he does have his moments though!)

Works usually but not sure I'd recommend it as a parenting technique. Blush

OriginalJamie · 01/01/2012 17:17

I think at 3 they are feeling a little bit of their power (you can't pick them up so easily, they can talk back), and yes, I think "threenager" is a great term, because alongside the wanting to be big, is the fear of being big. Do not take any of this personally. Your function is to be the butt of their angst (lovely).

Do not (as I did) get embroiled in arguments as if she is a teenager. Stay mild - bored policeman rather than shrieking person.

Go into another room and flick her the Vs if you need to let off steam. I found that helped me.

If you like books, I think Playful Parenting is really good for getting into their minds at this age, and also for finding fun, creative ways for getting round confrontations.

DitaVonCheese · 03/01/2012 00:00

Oh yes, I have done the V flicking thing Grin and agree threenager is good term - it's that same transitional stage isn't it. Interestingly enough though I was thinking that she doesn't it partly because she doesn't have any power - a lot of the time it's almost as though she's role playing and pretending to order me about.

I have done the sarky replies too Grin Blush Most of the time it doesn't wind me up too much though unlike her current habit of answering "What?" to every single thing I say

Vizzini DD had to be removed from my brother's wedding because she was repeatedly shouting "Boobies!" Blush

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pigleychez · 03/01/2012 13:16

Oh yes! 3.5 yr old DD has definitely developed a case of Attitude lately!

Drives me nuts! We get the 'Mine' and 'Now'. She also copies me and when told off replies with statements like ' Dont talk to me like that' ! Shock
When asked to do something if replies with 'Im busy!'
DH told her her to stop moaning the other day and she told him that 'I'll moan if I want to!' Little Madam!- Although quite funny!

Asserting their independence and learning what they can get away with.

DitaVonCheese · 03/01/2012 14:45

DD told DH she was going to "sort him out" the other day - I have no idea where she's got that from!

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stormyseason · 03/01/2012 17:55

Can you tell me how you deal with a 3 year old who won't do as he's told! For instance, don't pull the dog's tail - he continues to do so?

Don't smack your dad in the nuts - he continues to do so? etc

Zimbah · 03/01/2012 19:03

Pigleychez we get "I'm busy" too.

DD, we need to tidy up these toys.
"Buuuuut... I'm busy doing this puzzle. You can do the toys mummy. I'll let you do it if you like".
Or
"Buuuut... I'm a bit tired. I'll just read my book because I'm a bit tired. I'm too tired to tidy up".

Love the idea of going into another room and flicking the Vs Jamie. I get too caught up in arguing and wanting to 'win' sometimes which is terrible parenting and results in horrible shouting from me and (justified) tears from DD. Next time I feel myself about to blow my top I'll try that.

OriginalJamie · 03/01/2012 19:21

Zimbah - honestly, I used to get dragged into more arguments when mine were 3 than I do now the oldest is 11

stormy - try telling him what you do want him to do rather than what you don't. They just hear "Blah blah blah smack the dog in the nuts".

Also I found counting down from 5 to 1 amazingly effective, in slightly menacing tones. If that doesn't work - warning plus consequence eg put in room. But I think distraction/playfulness is worth trying first

Have a look at Playful Parenting

DitaVonCheese · 03/01/2012 21:34

Stormy I try to use positive language rather than negative as Jamie mentions - hard at times though. Largely I just repeat myself over and over again and hope it's going in ... Occasionally use sanctions eg if you throw that ball in here again then I'll take it away. I think DD is generally quite good though, or I'm just a slack parent Blush Oh, I do find that almost anything can be used as a threat if said in the right tone of voice eg "Right, you'll just have to go out without your boots on then" if dicking about and refusing to put boots on - if she ever calls my bluff then I'm buggered Wink

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OriginalJamie · 03/01/2012 22:05

Dita - yy to reverse psychology - worked really well with DS2. Also, another one that gets his little competitive heart going is to make things into a race or say "I bet you can't ....."

DitaVonCheese · 03/01/2012 22:29

This is from 59 Seconds by Richard Wiseman on discipline:

"If you happen to find yourself in the company of a child who is struggling with such skills, what is the best way of helping them control their impulses and behave themselves? Is it better, for example, to play good cop (?Would you be a little darling and please spend only thirty minutes on the computer??) or to adopt a more threatening approach (?If you don?t get off the computer now, that optical mouse is going right up your USB port?). In the mid-1960s, Jonathan Freedman from Stanford University conducted an experiment on this issue.

His study involved a group of about forty boys, between seven and ten years of age, who were attending one of two
local schools in California. One at a time, the boys were invited into a room and asked to rate the degree to which they liked five toys by assigning each one a number between 0 (?very, very bad toy?) and 100 (?very, very good toy?). Four of the toys were fairly mundane: a cheap plastic submarine, a child?s baseball glove, a toy tractor, and a Dick Tracy toy rifle. In contrast, the fifth toy was far more expensive and exciting. This was a toy among toys, a battery-controlled robot that represented the very height of 1960s technological wonder.

After the boy completed the ratings, the researcher explained that he had an errand to run and so would have to
leave the room for a few minutes. He told the boy that he was free to play with four of the toys but was not to
touch the robot. Half of the boys were clearly told that bad things would happen if they disobeyed the experimenter (?If you play with the robot, I?ll be very angry and will have to do something about it?), while the other half were subjected to a more ?softly, softly? approach (?Do not play with the robot. It is wrong to play with the robot?). The experimenter then left, leaving the boy staring longingly at the robot and its ?come and play with me? flashing eyes. About five minutes later, the experimenter returned, thanked the boy for taking part, and allowed him to leave.

Did the boys succumb to temptation? To find out, the researchers had fitted the robot with a secret device that
measured whether the toy had been turned on. The data revealed that only two of the boys had the self-control to
leave the robot alone. One of the boys came from the group that had been given stern instructions not to play with
the robot, while the other was from the group that had been subjected to the ?softly, softly? approach. When the experimenter was not present to enforce the instruction not to play with the robot, both approaches proved equally
ineffective.

However, Freedman hadn?t expected any real difference in the short term. He was far more interested in differences
that might emerge over a long period of time. About six weeks later, he sent a female experimenter back to the schools, apparently to conduct a different study with the same boys. Each boy was invited into the room and
asked to make a drawing. Exactly the same collection of toys had been placed in the corner of the room, and when
the children had finished their drawings,the experimenter explained that they could now spend a few minutes
playing with any of the toys. This time, none of the toys were designated out of bounds, and so all of them were up for grabs. A big difference emerged between the two groups. Of those in the ?I?ll be really angry and will have to do something about it? group, 77 percent played with the robot, compared to just 33 percent of those in the ?softly, softly? group. Remarkably, just a slight change from the experimenter?s instructions of several weeks earlier had had a significant impact on the boys? subsequent behavior, with the softer wording producing far more
compliance.

Why the big difference? There are several possible explanations. According to some researchers, it has to do
with people?s response to threats. Normally, people need to be threatened only when someone does not want
them to do something that they want to do. And the more they want to do something, the bigger the threat needs
to be to prevent them from doing it. According to this approach, the children who heard the stronger threats would
have unconsciously thought, ?Wow, people only give out big threats like that when I really want to do something that they don?t want me to do, so I must really want to play with the robot.? Using the same logic, a quiet request to the other boys that they not play with the robot resulted in their convincing themselves that they
didn?t really want to play with the toy.

Other researchers argue that the threat instantly elevated the robot to the status of forbidden fruit and elicited
the age-old tendency to want to do something because it is not permitted. Although academic arguments rage about whether this tendency is driven by a sense of curiosity, stubbornness, or rebellion, everyone agrees that the effect is powerful and reliable, and explains why attempts to ban teenage smoking, drinking, and fast driving frequently backfire.

In the secret science of self-discipline, the truth is that some children have an almost innate ability to control their impulses, whereas others find it difficult to resist instant gratification. And to instill self-discipline in those who grab the single marshmallow rather than waiting for two later, it?s clear that the smaller the threat you make, the bigger the impact.

...

Threats work well in the short term but can actually prove counterproductive over longer periods of time. By pointing out all of the terrible things that will happen if your child follows a course of action, you may be making that activity more attractive in their minds. Instead, try the ?softly, softly? approach used in
the toy robot experiment. State that you do not want them to do something and leave it there. If they really do insist on knowing why you are stopping them, try to get them to identify some possible reasons themselves."

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