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help with my 4 yr old. Anger and sadness-long post. I'm very sad and upset.

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mulledfishandfrostedlilacs · 19/12/2011 07:12

My 4 year old DD has recently been having MAJOR temper tantrums she horribly aggressive and screams, kicks and flails. She's in a good school, and I'm in touch with the teachers there, who tell me that she's fine, but they have noticed a lot more outbursts recently.

Anyway, the thing I really need help with is with DEALING with her tantrums. Of course the ideal would be to prevent them in the first place. I have had chats with my DD when she's been calm, about what we do when we're angry, how we don't hurt Mummys. I've tried explaining what's ok, and what's not ok. "It's ok to be angry, but we don't hurt... we don't throw things about.."

But it doesn't seem to be helping. I put her in her room but I can feel her abandonment and rejection and it's the last thing she needs at this point.

yesterday she lost her temper at my best mates 3 yr old son who i was looking after for a couple of hours because he drew on a bit of paper she wanted. I told her off (firm stern voice saying NO, we don't shout at friends) for shouting at him and she flew into a rage. i took her upstairs to my room which is the safest space in the house and I had to physically hold her to calm her down which was sickening but I was truly afraid she was going to hurt someone or herself.

I am 36 weeks pregnant and feel so guilty because I feel this has caused the change in her and sick with worry about how she is going to be when her baby brother is here. Is this a regression? I miss my gorgeous girl so much, 3 months ago I felt totally bonded and close to her, it seemed I was a parent who seem to genuinely relish being with my child. We had lots of fun together. Now all I get is more like teenage attitude it sounds so silly but she treats me like shit, her tone of voice is always snappy and she never seems to engage with me or show any affection at the moment despite trying my best to do nice activities with her and be calm and postive. If I have to correct her on anything (eg DD use a knife and fork please) I get snapped at and she fold her arms and humphs at me or if i am stricter/firmer/carry out a punishment/use anything other than a totally nuetral tone of voice-as in firm voice not shouting) she flies into these horrible rages.

I have also noticed that her play has become more aggressive and a lot more noisy. She gets frustrated over the slightest thing-shes learning her letters really well at school and starting to write but even sometimes when she gets it right she gets so frustrated and loses her temper. She seems to be doing lots of things she never would have done previously like drawing on furniture, more recently knocking the xmas tree over yesterday when she never used to fiddle with things she shouldn't touch. It also seems like one minute she's all happy playing then the next she doesn't want anyone near her and she just goes all sad and gets her bunny and curls up on the sofa. It's daft I know but I feel like I can feel her emotions coming off her in waves and that she's not a happy child at the moment. This post is making me cry just writing it.

Anyone had experience with this at all? I am beginning to feel like i may need professional help with her.

And if it's any help, according to my Mum I was the same as a child, constantly throwing loads of tantrums.I try so hard to be a decent mother, and try my best to stay calm and loving with her while she's tantruming.
When it's over, I feel completely washed out. My DH is exasperated with it saying we should be stricter, but all i see is that harder I fight against this the worse it seems to be. Together we aim to be consistent and he helps a lot. She does behave a lot better for him than me it seems.

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maydaychild · 19/12/2011 07:20

I posted this exact thing about a month ago and responded to another just yesterday
Seems tis perfectly normal
And it's got much worse for everyone as term ended.
What worked for me was to up the punishment. Naughty step wasn't cutting it anymore.
So I figured what was her fave thing to do (laptop for cbeebies or milkshake). Then I told her she has 20 mins only per day and I set the oven timer and she was good and turned it off.
Then told her she would lose mins for bad behaviour. 1st time of having strop I quickly warned her then starting taking mins. I got to 15 in a few mins.
I swear her behaviour has improved 10 fold immediately.
It will pass.
Good luck with your pregnancy

TanteRose · 19/12/2011 07:32

this is a good book

its normal, really Smile and exhausting...

5318hoho8 · 19/12/2011 08:50

yes HTT book is fab

She will be shattered, end of term, wind-up for Xmas

Things you can do:
Pull bedtimes earlier
Ignore what you can
Put pens etc where she can't reach them

Now I'm going to look at this bit : '' I try so hard to be a decent mother, and try my best to stay calm and loving with her while she's tantruming.''

Hold onto this thought - just because she is having lots of tantrums it is NO reflection on you as a mother. Children do tantrum, go off on one, for the most ridiculous reasons (broken banana tantrum, anyone?)

Chin up and plod on

stellarpunk · 19/12/2011 09:03

I feel for you OP. I have a DD tg same age as yours.

Of course you're a wonderful mum! :) on beat yourself up!

But, what stands out for me in your post is I wonder about how clear you are being with boundaries.

I'm not sure really that a 4 year old would need to be restrained and that may well ge feeding into tantrums by giving her an audience. I'd be very surprised if she old flail around f you werent there o watch it.

There is nothing wrong in punishing your daughter by sending o room/loss if treats/naughty step. If your daughter senses that you are reluctant to punish she will play up to that.

Chin up, nearly Christmas! Mak sure you get a break before next one due. Good luck :)

stellarpunk · 19/12/2011 09:04

Bloody iPad!

tallulah · 19/12/2011 10:07

Your pregnancy hasn't caused the change in your DD. Starting school has probably contributed to it. My DD is the same age, has no younger siblings and is exactly the same.

My DD1 was like it at 4 too, and everyone said it was because she had 2 younger brothers. Wish I'd known then what I know now :(

mulledfishandfrostedlilacs · 19/12/2011 11:59

Thank you. It's so hard to seperate the guilt of being preg and what is normal 4 yr old behaviour.

I think i'm beginning to see that the "Terrible twos" have nothing on the "Fucking awful fours/fives" do they?

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5318hoho8 · 19/12/2011 15:17

(I'm so NOT telling you about the tempestuous tens and turbulent twelves)

Nonicknameavailable · 19/12/2011 21:33

Hi mulledfishandfrostedlilacs

To me sounds like your daughter is getting anxious about the forthcoming event of you giving birth to another child - she may be both worried for you and for her 'place' in the family and in your heart. it sounds perfectly good reason to me that she is showing more aggressiveness and claiming your attention this way. I actually bought a very good book for correcting behaviours such as this. In case you are interested it is:-
SOS Help for Parents: A Practical Guide for Handling Common Everyday Behavior Problems by Lynn Clark.

I think the best thing you can do is to ignore the bad behaviour, listen to her and encourage her to talk about her feelings and when the baby comes don't forget to spend one to one with only you and your daughter so she feels special. Please don't feel guilty for being pregnant as it is really going to benefit your daughter in turn - she will learn to share - learn to love and care - they will be playing together in a couple of years! She will LOVE her little baby bother or daughter!! Best of luck.

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