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DS potty trained 9 months ago. Now poos and wees in pants all the time only when with me. I need help.

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lemniscate · 10/11/2011 18:50

This is long, sorry. I am really down about this and need help.

My DS is 3.7 and has been dry and clean since Feb/Mar including at nights with no regressions - very occasional accident but that's it.

In Sept, he started new preschool and there were a few other changes to routine and we had builders in. Understandably he got a bit stressed and his response was to have a potty training regression - wees and poos not always happening on toilet. It was a turbulent month - behaviour was bad too - but about a fortnight before half term he got into the new routine and it all got much better albeit not as good as before.

We got to the stage where half his wees have been on toilet and the rest have been a tiny little leak and then rush to toilet himself. Poos have usually been a skidmark in pants and then rush to toilets again by himself. I can live with that and haven't commented other than to change his pants and occasionally say "it's fine, don't worry" if he looks a bt upset about it.

The last fortnight it has for no reason gone downhill again - pretty much every wee involves a leak first, although no full accidents, but he has stopped going to the toilet to finish it without me chivvying and this week every single poo has been in his pants and he hasn't even told me. He's just carried on playing and ignored it until I have realised.

He stayed with his GPs over half term and had no accidents, not even leaks, at all so he can do it fine. The last 2 weekends when DH has been around he has been absolutely fine as well. But with me he just has accidents and they are getting worse.

On Monday, he did a massive poo in his pants and just carried on playing trains and crawling around in front of me then screamed at me when I calmly suggested we go to the toilet and clean him up. I lost the plot and screamed back at him and shouted. I knew as soon as I'd done it that it was a bad move but for once my frustration got the better of me :(. Unsurprisingly since then it has been a whole lot worse. Tonight he did a massive poo in his pants while sat next to me eating his dinner. By the time he got to the toilet it was dripping down his leg and on his shoes. I burst into tears as I cleaned him up. Sent him on his way and tried to hide it but he knew I was upset and came to cuddle me. When asked if there was anything wrong, he says things like 'I want a blue toilet not a white one' or 'I like being dirty' or 'if you give me chocolate buttons I'll do it on the toilet' (tried the latter this week by the way - no impact at all)

Please help. I am so thoroughly depressed about this, but also in danger of getting very angry about it (as I did on Monday) because I know that he can do it perfectly well and there doesn't seem to really be a reason for this any more other than he has got into the habit of not going. And of course getting angry makes it a whole lot worse. Why is it just me that he does this for? What on earth can I do to make it better again? I don't even care about little leaks or skidmarks, I would be so happy with that at the moment.

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lemniscate · 10/11/2011 19:54

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notnowbernard · 10/11/2011 20:02

sorry you sound so down Sad

was he totally independently clean and dry before the regression? Or did he still need regular reminding/taking/encouraging/bribing etc etc

lemniscate · 10/11/2011 20:58

Occasional days where we might need to encourage him - e.g. Holding willy, we suggest he goes, says "no"but then goes and all fine, and occasionally resistant to going in unfamiliar toilets. But only wees - no poo issues once he got clean (unusually that was harder for him than wees) But at least 90% of the time he has been completely independent on both poos and wees. He was v difficult to train but once he got it he decided to abandon night nappies within a week and has only had two night accidents since, and none during current regression.

Hence this being so depressing - 8 months of no issues and then back to where we were before he got it.

Its like he has forgotten what the sensation of needing to go is like, but pretty much only when with me (fine with dad, nursery, grandparents) - so clearly some psychological issue rather than physical I think.

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Tgger · 10/11/2011 21:39

Hi there.
This post rings true for me. My DD is younger- about to turn 3. Potty trained not long ago- about 3 months and got it very very quickly with accidents gone by day 3 for wees and poos sorted within 2 weeks.

She is now back to being really good both at home and at nursery but a couple of weeks ago when she was home with me, after no accidents for a couple of months we were changing pants and trousers all day long- it was wees that went wrong with her. I didn't know what was causing it and I sent her to nursery with about 5/6 changes of pants/trousers only for her to come back in the same ones she went in. This of course is fantastic, but then then makes you wonder why they are so rubbish with you!!! It went on for about 5 days or probably a bit more, on and off for 2 weeks. Seems to have gone now, fingers crossed...!

All I can suggest, which worked for me, is to go emotionally neutral about it- however annoying it is, just clean them up without much comment, other than "never mind, go on the toilet next time". This makes sure there is no emotional attention given for the behaviour that reinforces it. Also, if you can try to get the mental set that "you can do this, there is no problem" that helps with the emotional neutral attitude. My DDs regression happened close to her brother's birthday and when she was tired with a bad cold (but even so no accidents at nursery etc so I don't think the bad cold was really a factor)!

I would put strict boundaries in place for soiling/accidents- that you will clean him up immediately, calmly. Don't "suggest" going to the toilet tell him in a straightforward manner that that is what you have to do.

Try to think through worst case scenario- ie lots more accidents for lots more time. It's annoying, but it's not that bad really. He is only 3.7. My DS had wee accidents at home in the afternoon at this age after probably about a year of no accidents. His regeression wasn't as bad as my daughter's, but nonetheless they were quite regular accidents. It was the change and tiredness I think from a new very stimulating environement- started school nursery. When he started Reception this year he had one (unheard of really) soiling accident and lots of his peers had accidents after none for ages- very, very common for kids in new stressful (to them) environments.

Sorry for long post, just want you to feel better and take in your stride!

lemniscate · 10/11/2011 21:50

Thank you! It is helpful to know that this is not unheard of, although it is such a dramatic change from where we were which scares me a bit.

I'll start a new day tomorrow, aim to remain neutral and matter of fact, and hope that DH being around this weekend gives Ds and I a bit of a breather so we can start next week afresh.

Worst case scenario has been playing on mind - briefly today I did wonder if he'd be starting school in nappies which did make me Smile as that was a bit of a hysterical extrapolation from where we are now!

2 glasses of wine and piece of calf has helped my mood a bit. Fingers crossed I can remain calm tomorrow.

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Tgger · 10/11/2011 21:55

Good luck! Yes, it's not much fun. It was the only time we got through all her pants and trousers- had heard of friends doing this during training, but DD was never that bad when training!!!

2ddornot2dd · 10/11/2011 21:55

My daughter did something similar a few months ago, and I am nearly sure it was about attention. Hard as it sounds just try and ignore it, and make him clean himself up for wees - clearly poos you will have to do, and then I used to leave her in her room with her clothes and make it clear she couldn't come down until she was changed. Make sure you give him lots of positive attention when it's all going well.

I really laid down the law before we went on holiday, and she was fine for four days, and then I think she forgot to wind me up when she got back/moved onto another tactic.

ChipsnCheese · 10/11/2011 22:27

Yep - happened here too. The greatest bit was DP saying "it doesn't happen on my watch". Yeah, thanks mate!

We re-introduced the star chart. Small toy at end of 1st dry day, then a week. Also, unlike other posters here, we chucked in a bit of emotion. It makes me sad; it would make me happy if.....

The situation is loads better. Still some wet patches, which are true accidents, and which we (probably wrongly) don't really talk about.

lemniscate · 11/11/2011 18:11

Mmmm, progress today of a sort. He had a small bit in pants at lunchtime. Very reluctant to go to the toilet but I got him there to sort him out. This afternoon he stripped off while playing (he's a born naturist!) and I just left him to it as I figured however bad it is at the moment he wouldn't poo on the carpet as he actually has control of his poo he is just choosing to do it in his pants. Anyway, we just had a poo on toilet, instigated by himself :) First one since last weekend - I made a huge fuss of him, gave him stickers and chocolate buttons and told him I was very proud :) I don't think we're out of the woods yet - still leaking for every wee but I think nakedness for a few days plus ludicrously over the top praise may be the way to go to try and get him back into the habit of using the toilet.

It has been miserable this week, but I've been reminded today that he does have the control so it is very much a psychological thing which I have some hope of solving given time and a few different ideas.

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