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So how do I sort out deliberate naughtiness?

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Yorkiegirl · 27/12/2005 19:28

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shrub · 27/12/2005 19:34

i've just read 'siblings without rivalry' and its probably the best childcare book i've read. lots of coping stratagies which i cannot go into at mo as bf ds3 while i type.
try amazon if interested

ISawFrannyandZooeyKissingSanta · 27/12/2005 19:47

I would make it impossible for her to do the naughty thing again, after the first time you have said no.

e.g. TV - turn it off at the plug, so nothing happens when she tries it.

Pulling hair - put her in another room and shut the door.

you get the idea.

You don't want to get into a shouting match, but she is testing the water a little bit so I would make it clear that the unacceptable behaviour is NOT going to be allowed to continue. And I know it's a cliche, but really don't sweat the small stuff.

harpsiheraldangelssing · 27/12/2005 19:51

have you read the Secrets of Happy Children by Steve Biddulph? he recommends a system of discipline called "stand and think", which is very gentle (not talk of "naughty steps" etc") and non confrontational. If you are looking for some guidance I would say that it is a good place to start for a child this young.
link here
I would also say try not to think of it as "deliberate naughtiness" and get into a battle. She is just pushing the boundaries and exploring, like she would is you put her in a new room. I have a mantra which goes - I am patient and kind. I AM PATIENT AND KIND. repeat X 10000....

Yorkiegirl · 27/12/2005 19:58

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ISawFrannyandZooeyKissingSanta · 27/12/2005 20:11

Oh dear. Does he recognise he has a problem IYSWIM (don't want to make him sound like an alky) or does he think it's all dd2's fault?

I don't think you will get her to stop the "naughtiness" but you and he could change the way you react to it, however not without his co-operation.

Yorkiegirl · 27/12/2005 21:24

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thecattleareALOHing · 27/12/2005 21:31

Think you are right. If you could get some sleep it would be better. Temporarily what about taking it in turns to get up, so you don't get too tired and at least have a 'lie in' the next day to look forward to?

Yorkiegirl · 27/12/2005 21:34

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ParrupupumScum · 27/12/2005 21:38

Oh poor you.

Is she in a cot or a bed? Do you feel strong enough to try some sort of sleep training?

Yorkiegirl · 27/12/2005 21:44

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harpsiheraldangelssing · 27/12/2005 21:47

yes I agree that the sleep os a good place to start
sorry if I am stating the obvious, but have you tried adjustung bed times, giving a nap in the day or encouraging her to physical exercise in the afternoons?
does she still have a nap in the day?

Yorkiegirl · 27/12/2005 21:48

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ParrupupumScum · 27/12/2005 21:48

That rapid return technique thing works, I think. But it is very hard at first.

ParrupupumScum · 27/12/2005 21:50

Can you put up with grumpy morning from hell and get her taking an afternnon nap instead?

harpsichordcarrier · 27/12/2005 23:31

if she is "ratty beyond belief" later in the day then I would try letting her sleep longer.
a longer nap in the morning or two short ones?

hunkermunker · 27/12/2005 23:50

YG, what happens if you let her sleep as long as she wants to sleep in the morning?

DS is the same age and he'll happily have 3 hours sleep during the day - he's mad as hell if he has much less than two hours, especially if it's over a period of a couple of days if we're out a lot.

I do really feel for you - it's so hard when you're not getting much sleep.

ParrupupumScum · 27/12/2005 23:55

Agree it doesn't sound like she's getting enough sleep in the day and that can make nightttime sleep worse for some reason.

harpsichordcarrier · 27/12/2005 23:55

yes i agree with hunker
fwiw I think that it is a myth that less sleep during the day leads to more at night in every case
my dd1 in 2.5 and has never slept for less than two hours in the day, if that is disturbed then this does not make for a happy household. in the mornings will she sleep longer if you bring her into the bed with you?

hunkermunker · 27/12/2005 23:58

DS always sleeps worse at night if he has less sleep during the day. Think it's harder to switch off and they're less relaxed.

Yorkiegirl · 28/12/2005 07:08

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blueshoes · 28/12/2005 09:04

Hi Yorkiegirl, sorry that you are having such a hard time with dd2. I think all toddlers go through what you describe at some stage, but ... I find that with my dd, it does get worse just before bedtime/naptime when she is tired or when she is hungry. If your dd's early mornings are getting her down, is it possible to structure a daytime nap for her - if I see dd disintegrating but not winding down, then I take her for a walk outside in her buggy. Even if she does not sleep, a little quiet time helps to soothe jangled nerves (yours too ). After a few days of early mornings, will your dd2 have a catch up day where she seems to sleep forever? dd went through 1-2 weeks of early wakings but that later sorted itself out spontaneously.

I find that around 2 years old, sleep patterns can get a bit disrupted in that the little ones occasionally start to drop naps before they are ready with consequent disruption in their nighttime sleep and wakings. Also, speech coming in tends to affect nighttime sleep as well.

My dh does sometimes get frustrated with dd as well (I do too). So when it looks like one of us is going to blow our stack, the other will arrange a lie-in or take dd out of the house. It is trench warfare for the time being - you are doing great with more than one .

I also try not to think of such behaviour as deliberate naughtiness (often failing miserably, of course). DD2 is just testing the boundaries, as any intelligent and spunky child would. It is a crucial part of her development. Just knowing that you disapprove of the behaviour will eventually bring her round - emphasis on eventually. Maybe I am a bit of a soft touch, but with my strong-willed dd, I find less is more on the punishment front. And she does "get it" after a few weeks of telling her she is being naughty and repeatedly but unexcitedly restraining the bad behaviour.

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