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Anyone else got a dd who... well, it's a little embarrassing

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Choccers · 17/12/2005 22:40

She's 2, and for the last year she's got herself off to sleep at night by lying on her front and kind of humping her hand. She also does it if she's very tired or in some kind of physical pain. I don't think there's anything we can do about it - but it would be nice to know that she's not the only one!

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santagotstuckOOPSthechimney · 17/12/2005 23:55

my ds1 and his little mate love to get naked and jump up and down on the bed. I think it is because me and her mum just can't help laughing when they start....
we are usually in the house for about 5 minutes when one of them starts stripping and talking about going upstairs. They are 2yrs old btw and we are lovely really.

shepherdswatchedtheirflockets · 17/12/2005 23:59

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bigbaubleeyes · 18/12/2005 00:45

OMG I'm a first time mum to be and expecting a little boy, thank goodness re posts. HOWEVER I am going to go out on a limb and my intention is not to worry/upset anyone just to raise awareness

I receive child protection training as a teacher and we are told to look out for any sexualised behaviour. PLEASE PLEASE don't shoot me (just passing on my knowledge of this from a different persepctive) I also acknowledge i don't know enough about development of children that age and where the line would be.

I just think it is something we should all be aware of. Not trying to scare anyone. (What a topic for Satuday nite though)

bigbaubleeyes · 18/12/2005 01:02

Me again - wasn't happy about my intial thoughts re last post so i looked it up - easily found clear info and advice on babycenter have pasted this in:

Toddlers masturbate for the same reason that older children do: it feels nice! Bodily exploration is part of growing up. During the toddler years, your child will learn to run, jump, throw, draw and (hopefully!) poo in a potty. She may be just as curious about her genitals as she is about her fingers, toes, and belly button ? and if she's recently switched from nappies to pants, she may be able to get to them for the first time. When many parents first see this kind of exploration, they wonder, "Is this normal?" The answer most experts give is, yes, you don't need to be concerned.

What to do
Don't panic. Not every child does it, but masturbation is a completely normal thing to do. It doesn't cause any physical harm, pose any health risks and, no, it won't turn your child into a sex maniac, either. Masturbation in toddlers isn't sexual (as it is for adults) because toddlers don't know what sex is. And while, in older children, explicit sex play can be a warning sign of sexual abuse or exposure to explicit sexual material, this is extremely unlikely to be the case with toddlers. (A toddler who's been sexually abused is more likely to become withdrawn or suddenly have trouble sleeping.) That said, toddlers masturbate because it feels good, and the good feelings can be as pleasurable for her as they are for adults. A toddler may even masturbate herself to orgasm complete with panting, red face, and a big sigh at the end. But it's absolutely not something to be worried about.

Ignore it. You may have already told your toddler that some of her parts are private, and that no one but her, or her parents or a doctor, gets to touch them. But it may not sink in for your toddler as the concept of privacy means nothing to an under three. Your best bet is to look the other way or immerse yourself in a distracting activity.

Distract her. Even knowing it's normal, even knowing lots of children do it, you'll probably be embarrassed if your toddler starts masturbating in front of other people. If you can't ignore it or laugh it off, distraction is your best bet. Masturbation is a lot like nose-picking ? children do it because it's there, because they're bored, and because their hands are free. If your toddler's hands stray toward her crotch at inopportune moments (in front of your in-laws, for example) keep a toy or other substitute handy to hand her, instead. Invite her to do a puzzle, or play with blocks, or toss a ball around ? anything that keeps her hands out of her pants.

Watch your own reactions. Parents' reactions to masturbation pose the greatest risk for kids. If your toddler is made to feel guilty for exploring her body, or made to feel that what she's doing is dirty or naughty, she may associate sexual or pleasurable feelings with guilt and shame later in life.

Hope this helps. I know I feel more reassured its perfectly normal and its not even my children that have been mentioned - feel so green!

shepherdswatchedtheirflockets · 18/12/2005 01:03

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shepherdswatchedtheirflockets · 18/12/2005 01:09

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bigbaubleeyes · 18/12/2005 01:12

Yes I realises that SHEPHERDS thats why i did my research! Feel a bit silly, like I said how green am I? Anyway I've learnt something new.

I have only been posting MN for four months and it definately keeps me on my toes and makes me think - best wishes mums.

shepherdswatchedtheirflockets · 18/12/2005 01:17

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niccick · 18/12/2005 01:33

Just when I think I know what my ds is about to do he does the total opposite thing

PantomimEDAMe · 18/12/2005 08:03

I think it's rather worrying that a teacher who has had child protection training would jump to the conclusion that there is something disturbing about a toddler touching themselves. I know you've done your research now baubleeyes, not having a go at you, but it's frightening that child protection training could leave a professional so ignorant of the reality of child development. Parents could be wrongly accused as a result - who the hell is designing this training?

shepherdswatchedtheirflockets · 18/12/2005 10:07

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blueshoes · 18/12/2005 10:07

Edam, to be fair to bigbaubleeyes, her first post (or subsequent) did not hold herself out as an expert having received child protection training. She knew her training was for a teacher dealing with 5+ older children (I assume). So within that context, she did say that she does not know about development and ages.

It is child protection training to raise the teachers' awareness, but with no time to go into the whole caboodle of child sexual abuse, just one of the many risks children potentially face. In a specific case I imagine it would be referred to social workers and other specialists more experienced and trained in this area for further investigation.

As a mum I too fear my children being taken away from me for what is normal developmental behaviour being misinterpreted as abuse. But tbh I think the risk is quite low because a teacher has no right to do that anyway, just raise flags if necessary.

Twiglett · 18/12/2005 10:14

boys do it, girls do it .. its normal and it feels nice so don't worry about it

as she gets older encourage her to do it in private always remembering to let her know its fine and a nice thing to do .. but some things are for private

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bigbaubleeyes · 18/12/2005 12:58

Pant - That is exactly why i did go away and do some research - i teach in asecndary school.

I understand the difference between self exploration and sexulised behaviour - it is an area that scares us teachers too can be a difficult call to make. I have had children within my supervision who have been placed on register for issues relating to neglect - no teacher would ever take something so lightly and would always refer any instance to the designated child protection office and then the liason office if appropriate.

I can honestly say i had no idea that toddlers did this - as i said I have a lot to learn being an expectant first time mum about early child development.

tigermoth · 18/12/2005 13:26

I agree with princessplumpuddinghead

Choccers · 18/12/2005 13:55

Hello I'm back again - Choccers, or the Troll if you like! Thanks bigbaubleeyes for the post from the baby centre - I hadn't seen anything on this subject in writing, so you have done me a big favour, and that's pointed me in the right direction for future info as well. Thanks everyone else too for some brilliant advice. Until last night I didn't know a single living soul who admitted their child did this, and now I can see how common it is (and this morning I met a mum who told me her daughter does it ALL THE TIME. Yay!). I think people only admit it if you mention it first, which is a hard thing to do, because it is such a taboo subject, and can still lead you to be taken for a paedophile!!!

I knew that sexualised behaviour can be an indication of child abuse so it has crossed my mind that people might wonder what was going on at home if they saw my dd at it, so thanks again baubleeyes for the info. I'm sure people at her nursery will know their stuff if they see her doing this and I'm not worried about it. Good idea to check out mumsnet BEFORE giving birth!!!! Wish I'd thought of that!

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Choccers · 18/12/2005 13:59

By the way shepherds I think you are very aptly nicknamed! You have a very pastoral calming influence on discussions! I bet you have five children with good manners and healthy self-esteem.

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PantomimEDAMe · 18/12/2005 19:27

BBE, really wasn't having a go at you, was just alarmed about the training. Have now been reassured (ish). But frankly after reading Bunglie's threads and seeing the Clark/Patel/Cannings cases and the appeal in the salt case I don't trust social services. Then there's Cleveland, Orkney, the government proposals to have a mass database on all children where any two 'flags' from health professionals will mean a case conference is called... plus my sister used to work in social care and has been at case conferences and some of the attitudes displayed by social workers are scary, tbh.

crimbocrazydazy · 18/12/2005 19:38

My DD has only just recently stopped doing her "tickle" as she calls it. She lies down flat on the floor and moves herself up and down and at the same time stiffens her legs, the first time she did it we were so shocked and I spoke to the HV who told us just to ignore it as it would only encourage her to do it more. This was very hard to do as there was a time when she was doing it every time she was bored or if she was laying down drawing . She gradually did it less and less and haven't seen her doing it for weeks now.

We once asked what she was doing and she said "just doing my tickle" we then asked "what are you tickling?" her reply was "my toes and my tuppy" her name for you know what.

Didn't ask her again and ignored it from them on or just tried to distract her when she started doing it.

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