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6 Year Old with Terrible Tantrums

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Mands0603 · 28/02/2011 10:24

Hi All,
Really wanted some advice.
My Daughter is about to turn 6 in the next few days and recently over the past couple of months her behaviour and tantrums are getting to breaking point.
She tantrums over the slightest little thing - eg being asked to do something like brush her teeth or take her plate to the kitchen, if we say no to her for some reason, etc etc.
I have tried all sorts, I have spoken to her teacher at school who have spent time on a one to one basis and say she is happy and they have spoken to her about her behavior at home (she is the model pupil when she is there) and they have said she says she is happy and loves both me and her dad - yet at home it is horrendous!
The only thing they said she didnt like is me going to work but i have sat down with her on many occasions and explained that i have to work to pay for all the things we do like dancing, holidays, taking her places etc as a treat - she understands why i work and she doesnt groan every morning - it is just a couple of times she has said it.
We have done star charts, smiley face charts - all sorts like that - given her rewards if she has been good and got all her stickers, she is punished if she is naughty (we take something from her a toy or something she likes doing for example) then the next day if she is good she gets it back and so on.
She does ballet which she loves (including participating in competitions) so she has a hobby outside of school. I have tried talking to her to see if she is tired of doing that (as she does it 3 times per week - 2 nights per week for about 45mins and then most of saturday morning) but she is gutted if i even mention stopping that!
For example yesterday she was at a ballet competition and was watching some of her friends backstage. As i was asked to do some props for the next dances i asked her to go sit with her dad in the audience as it was busy and i was at one side of the stage then the other so i couldnt keep my eye on her fully and then she kicked off crying. She did go to her dad but he ended up removing her from the audience as she was disturbing others and the dancers with her crying and whinging - then it turned into a full blown tantrum with kicking, screaming, answering back, lashing out.
Eventually she calmed down but only as she wanted to do her dance then it happened again later as there wasn't a seat next to her friend that she could sit on! Another full blown tantrum - then again this morning trying to get her ready for school as she had a bath and i didnt want her going to school with wet hair so tried to dry it and she kept her hands on her head and wouldn't let me near.
I am at the end of my tether at the moment - I don't really agree with smacking, although i have resorted to it once or twice when i have exhausted all other avenues as more of a shock factor but then she just shouts it didnt hurt.
I try not to lose my temper and shout at her but sometimes i dont know what else to do.
I feel i have exhausted all avenues that i cna think of and hope someone else can offer advice or help with the matter
Thanks for reading the essay - sorry it is long but just wanted to try and give you all a view of what is going on
Mands x

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MrsBennet · 28/02/2011 18:07

sorry to hear you are having such a tough time, I have no helpful advice, but wanted to offer support. Has anything changed, I wonder if school is too stressful for some children. My DS is in yr 1 and behaviour is getting worse.

Mands0603 · 02/03/2011 11:53

It is getting worse.
This morning she refused to go to school because i wouldn't let her take a rabitt (plaster of paris type of thing) that she had called fluffy!!!!

I had to physically drag her to the car (where she refused to put her seat belt on) drag her into school and just walk away

I feel like such a bad mum - I really dont know what to do!!!

We ahve even tried to explain to her recently about her feelings and try and get her to understand these but she just rolls her eyes and takes no notice - I really am at the end of my tether at the minute and don't know where to turn!!

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Stressywench · 02/03/2011 21:44

Can I firstly say, thank god I'm not on my own, and neither are you! You have just described the behaviour of my 5 year old darling daughter. First of all, the only things I would say, is a) don't go smacking - it doesn't work and they just throw it back at you during another tantrum (believe me, i've tried) and b) invest in an egg timer. It may sound stupid, but its one of the few things that actually (occasionally) help. I'll get back to that in a minute.
My daughter used to throw a complete wobbler once in a blue moon, recently, she's been doing it every couple of days! We are talking about neighbours staring at the house because they think she is being throttled, that type of tantrum. My husband and I used to have to open the living room curtains when she was kicking off upstairs, so that the neighbours could see we weren't up there hurting her.

We quickly worked out that the naughty step didn't work because she ripped the wallpaper off of the wall. Smacking just ends up with her thinking it was okay to hit you. I have tried threats to call a policeman, that doesn't work, I've driven past the police station and that only worked for three hours. Not sure if yours is the same but our girl can't seen to calm down, its like she's fixated on anger, and I am totally ashamed to say it but I was at the end of my tether recently and I had had over two hours of screeching, so I picked her up, put her in the bath and put the cold shower on her (for less than a second), to try and shock her out of it. It didn't really work because then she called me stupid for getting her wet, but when you are desperate, you'll try anything!
Like you, we chatted with her teachers. She hates change and is slow to settle but gets there eventually - didn't help that the teachers waited for seven weeks to tell us there was a problem though! But she's okay now and has caught up. She does get really anxious though and this leads to tummy pains etc, but I've found that I try and talk to her about things that are happening and not to focus on her tummy pains. I still have the days where you think, 'why can't you be normal and just do as you are told?' But I am rapidly learning that normal means different things to different people. I have gone down the route of thinking its ADHD and recently panicked about it being a mild case of Autism. My mum soon snapped me out of that one thankfully. Children are not stupid and infact are very manipulative, I've learnt that if I want my child to do something, I have to (rather annoyingly) make it fun or turn it in to a challenge, its time consuming, but then so are the tantrums.

Compromise is a word they quickly pick up, such as 'if you put your toys away first, then you can have a biscuit', and praise works a treat. I try and praise mine as much as possible even though you think 'do I really need to say well done for remembering to pull the flush without being asked' but you'd be surprised.
Back to the egg timer. It was suggested by one of the teachers to try and improve her concentration (she fidgets - name one 5yr old that doesn't). Anyway, we sat down and explained to her that she had to do 10 minutes of concentration time after school every day, such as reading, spellings etc. She picked this up well - home from school, biscuit, drink and then concentration time before TV etc. Well we are now trying to use quiet time e.g you can come back downstairs when you haven't screamed or shouted for 2 minutes. During a calm period, I sat with my little girl, held her hand and we kept quiet for two minutes and said that when mummy says you need to be calm for two minutes, its not really that long. Once the egg timer goes off, she knows that thats the end of it and we can move on. We are still in the early stages but she seems to be grasping that mummy isn't backing down and even though she has stamina that would put a marathon runner to shame, the screeching sessions seem to be reducing in length. Now all I have to do is try and get my husband to abandon his philosophy of 'anything for a quiet life' and back me up!
Sorry about the novel, and I don't know if it will help but its helped me by knowing that I'm not on my own, and given me a chance to offload.

hellymelly · 02/03/2011 21:52

Gosh i am so happy to read your thread (sorry!) as my Dd who is recently six,has also upped the tantrums somewhat.In her case we have taken her out of school as she was so unhappy in year one,and we are home-edding in a relaxed way for the time being.I had put the tantrums down to stuff she'd bottled up about school coming out now (we took her out at Christmas),but maybe it is more of an age stage thing? My dd's paddy's are very similar to yours.Worse when she is tired/hungry and she is losing teeth/growing and very skinny. I'm trying to ignore some things and be gentle,but have clear limits too.Obviously sometimes I just get mad and shout but I try not too,partly in our case,because she was a complete wreck of herself last term so we are still dealing with her recovering from that.

hellymelly · 02/03/2011 21:55

AArgh I misused the possessive apostrophe! I never do that! PADDIES,not paddy's.Sorry! Also should add that like stressywench my dd is quite anxious and fidgetty.

girliefriend · 02/03/2011 22:16

My dd is just 5 and was horrendous toddler for throwing massive tantrums, she is generally better now and I don't know if it is because she just grew out of them or its because of something I did!!!

However things that work are lots of give and take, for example 'you can have this when you have done that' and obviously if they she doesn't do whatever it is Ive asked her she doesn't get what ever I have promised her!!

Sticking to a routine, lots of praise for when she is good, spending one on one time with her reading, doing a puzzle, baking that sort of thing. Also I find sometimes playing to her better nature works for example 'it would really help mummy if you could do this'

Also I would talk a lot about anger and ways to express it, my dd now knows if she is feeling angry that it is better for her to go and cool off somewhere (she has a little hidey hole in her bedroom that she likes to go to) rather than having an almightly tantrum which will end up with being on enforced time out or having a favourite toy conviscated. I also once she has calmed down always sit down and talk to her about it, ask her how things could be done differently and ask for an appology as tantrums are not a good way to express herself!!!

Also I think you need to be aware that tiredness will be impacting her behaviour and if the ballet is causing over tiredness I would be straight with her and say 'if you can't behave then I will think the ballet is making you too tired and grumpy and it will have to stop.' Harsh but fair!!!

Stressywench · 02/03/2011 22:20

Good grief, what an amazing creation this is!!!! I don't talk to the other mums at school about it too much because they look at you as if to say 'OMG she's obviously doing something wrong'. My argument with the school was that she went from having a great teacher and classroom assistant in Reception, to having two teachers on a job share, two classroom assistants and a PE coach in Yr 1. I'd be bloody stressed trying to deal with that.

I have had to work since my beloved stress ball was 5 months old, otherwise the mortgage wouldn't have been paid but whilst it gives you back your individuality, it delivers a sodding great guilt trip with it. I have to learn that my daughters behaviour is because of who she is, not because of something i have done wrong, or that there is something wrong with her. As the saying goes 'We Shall Overcome'.
Whether we can do it without the use of prescription medicines and alcohol is another matter.

giggly · 02/03/2011 23:32

Another one here. hellymelly I noticed that your dd is very skinny,my dd is very slim and I was wondering if her behaviour gets worse before/during a growth spurt.

We have the whinning and tears for the smallest of things. Tonight had to put her to bed at 6.30 so that she could calm down. Gave her a snack and some books and she was happy.

I also wondered if the huge amount of learning over a short time (P1 August 10) is exhausting for them.

Glad to know that it all seems age appropriateSmile

hellymelly · 02/03/2011 23:52

Well certainly my dd seems to not have much in the way of reserves.She is very slightly built and also very thin,she is a grazer rather than a big meal eater,and she is horrendous with low blood sugar as is her sister (and me too,although I'm not skinny any more!)I think physically and emotionally she seems very stretched. She is sensitive and tends to bottle up things that frighten or upset her,so I suppose it then all comes out in other explosions over trivial things.

ColdHeartedBitch · 03/03/2011 00:14

its not just dds doing this either. ds has a lovely line in 6yo tempers. he was horrendous before half term. In fact he screamed at me solid yesterday evening. But today has been a complete delight. i have just noticed he has grown, and he has little spare meat on him. noting the theory about tempers close to growth spurts. Not sure i prefer growth spurt tempers to growth spurt night terrors.

Mands0603 · 03/03/2011 10:09

Thank you all so much for the responses. I am so glad to know that there isn't just me struggling through it.

I have tried everything but reading through some other posts on here has given me some more things to try - the current one at the moment is now I tell her what i expect of her before we go - for example she had a ballet lesson last night (private for her solo) so outside in the car i said that I wanted her to go in and behave and do what the teacher asks - if she starts to mis-behave or start to tantrum then she will be removed from the lesson - will sit in the car until calm and then i will take her home. The result was she did a great lesson and spent most of the time laughing!

I have also started a behaviour book - it is a plain black notebook where inside if she has a tantrum once she is calm she writes the date (for my reference so I can track how often) the reason for the tantrum (if i said no or she wasn't happy about something) how she felt, what she gained from the tantrum and what she can do instead (compromise) I sat and explained it and asked her to fill it in - what she wrote suprised me to be honest - she said she felt angry, upset, frustrated - she also said that as a compromise could she take it in on toy day to which i said yes!

This might not work but anything is worth a try.
I have and do praise her for anything she does good and ask her to help me with things around the house which she loves (dusting for example) and as an only child she has our attention all the time.

We have explained to her that also if she starts to tantrum when we are out she will be removed and made to sit in the car until calm or if we are at home she will be sent to her room and can only come out when calm - then she needs to fill in the book.

Only time will tell if this works - fingers crossed

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