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9yo DD ruined new bedroom wall

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peeriebear · 19/02/2011 18:54

DD1 is 9 and has always had a temper and little impulse control, coupled with a complete disregard for consequences.
The most recent thing has been shouting "FINE!!", storming up the stairs and slamming her bedroom door. She shares with DD2 (4) and now DD2 has started copying this exactly. I warned DD1 that if she didn't stop slamming the door I would take it off the hinges. Predictably the warning had no effect and I took the door off yesterday.
She then scrawled in huge letters across her newly painted wall
I CANT SLEEP WITHOUT MY DOOR!!
And just to make sure, she even went over it again in a darker pen so it stood out. I didn't see it until this morning.
(For the record she slept very soundly last night and was flat out.)
She knows how hard I have worked to get their bedroom looking nice, it involved stripping the whole room of woodchip, patching/skimming the walls and repapering, painting, new pictures, new curtains etc. I had plans for her side of the room (bed canopy, new shelves, new lights) and she knew all this. I had even drawn her a plan of how it would look and she was excited. Now I can't even speak to her, I am so angry and disappointed.
I don't know what to do now. Any thoughts anyone? I am so sick of banging my head against a brick wall with her :(

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thisisyesterday · 19/02/2011 19:25

ok so how does a normal "pick up your boots please" conversation go?
i mean, how does it end with her slamming the door?
is she arguing in between or is it a "pick up your boots".... stomp stomp SLAM

i am just wondering if there is anything you can do in between to stop the angry bit from starting?

I do think for some children that they just really do have trouble seeing consequences and all they gain from punishments is the feeling that the person dishing it out is trying to make them miserable.
I was like this as a child, as is ds1 and it's very hard parenting him, but we're getting there.

sometimes it's no good being harsh and waiting for the remorse... because it never comes!
I can see quite clearly when i get angry with ds1 and he stomps off up to his room that the only thing he gains from it is this whole "mummy hates me" thing. he isn't learning to alter his behaviour at all

i've just been reading a book a friend lent me called "the explosive child"
if you can get past the really stupid pretend conversations between adults and their explosive child it actually makes a fairly good read and we've had some success with it already with ds1

i think the biggest things that have helped me are
modelling behaviour- acting how i want him to act. if i shout at him when i am cross then he will shout at me when he is cross.
if i slam a door he'll slam doors.
If I say i'm not listening when he is being rude then when i am cross with him he'll say i am being rude and he isn't listening to me- and it works with good behaviour too. so when i am angry i'll say "wow, i feel so angry with what you've done ds1, but i'd like to explain why i feel angry so i'm not going to shout... etc etc"

giving him a chance to have his say. so if i ask him to do something and he starts tantrumming I count to 10, take a deep breathand let him do it... i let him get it ALL out, without interrupting, before I ask him if we can come up with a compromise.
don't get me wrong, i don't always have the patience for it, but when i do it it does seem to work

asking him rather than telling him. so as we come in the door from school i'll say "boys can you please put your shoes on the rack?" or even just "remember shoes go on the rack"

  • doesn't always work, but it definitely works better than a plain old "put your shoes on the rack"

coming up with compromises. children don't need to learn to obediantly comply with everythi9ng, they need to learn that it's ok to say if they're unhappy with something, and more importantly they need to learn how to co-operate and figure out ways of doing things that don't upset other people. this is a good way of teaching it. it shows them that you are willing to give a little on certain things, if they do too

I guess going back to your original problem now with the wall i would go to her tomorrow and have a talk about it.
she gets to tell you why she did it, and why she feels angry/upset.
you tell her how it makes you feel after you've spent so long making it nice, and re-iterate that she was warned about it, and that slamming doors is not ok...

then ask her what to do about it. you have to come up with a solution that works for you both tho, so her saying "you paint it again" isn't a valid choice... you need to come up with something that pleases everyone.

peeriebear · 19/02/2011 19:26

I am trying very hard to not keep dragging things out and getting into a round of negative discipline; when a punishment is done, it's done, no postmortems. We don't get to do much with just the two of us, yet when I say things like "Would you like to come and sit with me and colour?" I usually get "No thanks, I'm fine over here!"

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thisisyesterday · 19/02/2011 19:27

sorry, that was really long! Blush

Ingles2 · 19/02/2011 19:28

Don't be daft,..it doesn't come down to sex of the dc. All children are different. I've actually got 2 boys the 9 yr old and an 11 yr old and they have behaved completely differently, they couldn't be more opposite if you tried...I haven't though.
you have to stay firm, fair and clear on your boundaries
Peerie's daughter however, sounds like as the eldest, she is going through a petulant, pushing boundaries stage,...
That's fine, you just have to pick your battles and be consistent. Peerie has done that, I don't think she should be excusing bad behaviour as hormones, just be clear and calm on what she'll put up with.

Chandon · 19/02/2011 19:29

My 8 1/2 year old has always had bad temper tantrums.

I find it really helps to wait until the child has calmed down, to sit down and talk about WHY they feel so angry. Also, to then explain it is unacceptable to slam the door.

I find my DS often needs to be reminded that is OK to feel really angry and frustrated, and that feeling that way is not a bad thing. but that acting out is not acceptable.

Somehow that made a huge difference. I never tell him off for the temper, only the actions.

It used to escalate, but at the age your DC is, she should be able to explain her feelings once she is calm.

Another "trick" is to repeat what the say to show them you understand why they are angry. I know it sounds cheesy and American, but for example: "So you are angry because your brother had the last go on the WII, and he had the first go as well, so you feel it is not fair? I see that makes you angry but there is no need to slam doors and scream. If you would have told me this in a normal voice, I would have just made sure it was YOu who got the first go next time." etc.

Fighting fire with fire doesn't always work.

thisisyesterday · 19/02/2011 19:30

i wonder if part of the door problem is that it isn't an over and done with type punishment?

so, she does something wrong (slamming door) and the punishment is not having a door... that punishment just goes on and on and on and on, even when she is behaving

don't get me wrong, i can see why you did it. it's the kind of thing i would have threatened too, but i can also see why she would react so badly to it

peeriebear · 19/02/2011 19:30

Yes I was going to give her some detergent spray and a sponge tomorrow and she can scrub at it. If it doesn't come off she can live with it for a while until I decide what to do.

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thisisyesterday · 19/02/2011 19:32

would you be happy with her repainting it?

peeriebear · 19/02/2011 19:34

And as for the door I was thinking of suggesting a thick curtain over the doorway. I get the no door slamming/no fingers/dog noses trapped part, she still gets privacy and blocked sound/light.
What do you all think? Madness or okay?

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ChippingInFanciesCheeseOnToast · 19/02/2011 19:35

Ingles girls are different to boys, in the same way women are different to men. 9 year old girls can have whacking amounts of hormones flying around inside them, the same as women with PMT/newly pregnant. You cannot just dismiss this, well of course you can, but it doesn't make any sense to.

Ponders · 19/02/2011 19:36

I have a very nice, though somewhat old-fashioned, book about raising children & for a child who got FURIOUS (& it was a girl) the writer recommended a bloody great cushion for her to pummel until she felt calmer. Might that work for your DD, peeriebear?

For now, though - I don't know what's the best thing to do about the graffiti. Certainly you shouldn't paint over it for her straight away - it needs to stay there for a while.

peeriebear · 19/02/2011 19:36

Thisis, I was thinking of that too, having her repaint it albeit heavily supervised. And playing Slayer at full volume throughout the job so it's not fun. [joke emoticon]

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Ponders · 19/02/2011 19:37

just seen your curtain suggestion - yes, that strikes me as a good compromise; she can have her door back when she's confident that she won't be slamming it any more Smile

thisisyesterday · 19/02/2011 19:38

yes, i think a curtain is a good compromise

ChippingInFanciesCheeseOnToast · 19/02/2011 19:38

Peerie - I wouldn't fixate on the door tbh. It can stay off for now until you resolve some of the issues. She doesn't like it off - tough! Maybe it will make her think twice about things, especially if you don't race in to fix the bedroom wall! If you put up a curtain you are doing what she wants... you are giving, she is not. Not a good idea.

Ingles2 · 19/02/2011 19:40

Chipping, at 9, some girls will, not many and certainly not all.. it would be crazy to use this a catch all excuse especially as Peerie hasn't given any indication that her dd is on the verge of puberty.

Saggyoldclothcatpuss · 19/02/2011 19:47

I know what my mothers response would have been... the kind that would get her arrested nowadays!
I think you did the right thing following through when you told her you would take the door off, and I think that now you should think of a suitable punishment and follow that through too. I often talk things through with my DCs, but this is serious damamging of property and IMO she needs to know in no uncertain terms that this is unacceptable. Ive no idea what I'd do, it'd be different depending on which of my DCs did it, but there would be serious repercussions.

ChippingInFanciesCheeseOnToast · 19/02/2011 19:52

Ingles what exactly is your problem with me this evening Hmm

I said

9 year old boys and 9 year old girls are not the same creature at all. Not all 9 year old girls are created equally either... some have more hormonal imbalances than others - however, the more Peerie says about her DD the less I think it's all hormonal

She sounds like she has a case of spoiltlittlemadamitis

and then I gave Peerie some suggestions that I thought might help her.

MOST girls in the UK are hitting puberty between 8 & 13. At 9 it is highly likely that her hormones are already changing. I don't care if you believe me or not, do your own research.

... and please stop twisting my posts - not once did I say it excused her behaviour.

ChippingInFanciesCheeseOnToast · 19/02/2011 19:54

Saggy mine too Grin

kapok · 19/02/2011 19:58

Sending you sympathy OP and others with tricky DCs. I have one too, and he has always been the same. Many holes in walls. and doors off hinges here!

Punishments don't work at all. Only love and attention and keeping everything very calm and predictable at home. Agree with Muggle that 'treat days' seem to bring out the worst behaviour.

Good advice from thisisyesterday. Easy for others to say their child would never dream of doing x or y. Neither would my other 2 DCs with exactly the same parenting as the tricky DC.

It isn't always that simple. And it's exhausting too.

Ingles2 · 19/02/2011 19:59

Chipping
i've got no problem with you,. you however think it's fine to be totally condescending and explain that girls are different to boys and that I know nothing in this case, as I have a boy!
Hmm back

peeriebear · 19/02/2011 20:00

I have just been up to see her as she has just got in the bath. I washed her hair (water bright blue- she was Coraline at school yesterday!) and said she would do well to scrub the wall tomorrow. If it doesn't come off she will be stuck with it until we decide what to do. I also said I knew why she was so angry but that her response was counterproductive and made things worse. She agreed and I said about the curtain idea, but not making it sound like a reward; "You will not get your door back but you may get a curtain instead". She thought it was a good idea because "I can't slam that".

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Ingles2 · 19/02/2011 20:03

oh that's good Peerie. It's always nice to go to bed knowing that arguments have calmed down. Get her scrubbing the wallc tomorrow and take it from there

peeriebear · 19/02/2011 20:05

I won't be back to this until tomorrow now but feel free to give me (and other parents of volatile children) further coping strategies! Thanks for all your advice, it has been very helpful to talk everything out, it calmed me down an awful lot and things are a lot clearer also. I know DD1 responds better to calmness, humour etc but it's very hard to maintain in the face of a ball of 9yr old indignant fury :)

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ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 19/02/2011 20:17

Does she get pocket money ?? Has she got any savings etc ?? Make her pay for the damage dd has sn and even she only had to lose her christmas money once to get the message !!