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Do all 6yr boys go through this phase?

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Singstar · 18/01/2011 17:45

I've noticed lately when I've had my ds's friend's over, that they all talk about how they're the fastest runner/smartest in class/best ever at mario cart etc etc etc. I hadn't really picked up on it with my ds before but now I've really noticed it and combined with 'yeah I know' (which is said even if I was trying to explain nuclear physics to him!), 'ugh I hate that', 'that's really dumb' and regular strops at the most simple of things, I'm really beginning to lose my rag.

Please tell me this is a phase and he's not entered the 'Kevin' phase already!

Thanks

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snowmummy · 18/01/2011 19:31

Sounds normal to me. My DS is nearly 6 and I've heard similar conversations.

MollieO · 18/01/2011 19:35

'Kevin' is the perfect summing up. Ds is 6 and is definitely morphed into Kevin in the last few months. The know everything attitude, selective hearing (he's had that from birth!), the detailed but not actually relevant explanation when he's been caught out. Please tell me it disappears when they turn 7.

MintAeroBar · 18/01/2011 19:38

Oh yes! My ds is currently going through this as well!

MollieO · 18/01/2011 19:48

'Kevin' is the perfect summing up. Ds is 6 and is definitely morphed into Kevin in the last few months. The know everything attitude, selective hearing (he's had that from birth!), the detailed but not actually relevant explanation when he's been caught out. Please tell me it disappears when they turn 7.

Andre1960 · 18/01/2011 21:02

It's a phase and will pass (the only consolation for a parent in dealing with some of the more unpleasant aspects of some phases is precisely this - that they are only phases and will pass!). I remember my own son passing through this absurd and objectionable stage and being disappointed and frustrated with him. It's a kind of competitive bravado that boys display and reinforce in each other. Of course, it spills out into their other relationships, as you've noticed!

See it for what it is, which is a bit of posturing and don't take it too seriously. Be as patient and accepting as you can and hang on in there because you need to be one of the constants in his life no matter what changes he experiences in himself. When you can't do this, feel free to lose you rag! There's nothing wrong with that because your son also needs a periodic reminder that there is a world outside his peers and himself and that world also has to be considered. A bit of gentle and good-humoured piss-taking is quite beneficial too! This will help him to obtain some insight into himself and also understand that what might be appropriate in one setting (i.e. interacting with friends) may not be appropriate in others (i.e. interacting with family, parents, adults generally!).

The knack, in my opinion, is to undermine some of the more objectionable aspects of the behaviour of some phases without undermining the child. If you think me saying this suggests I found it any easier than you are probably finding it, think again! Having kids gave me a whole new understanding of the word hard Smile.

A bit of 'Kevin' enters every boy once he settles into school. Looked at generously, it's a kind of self-assertion, and that's a good and necessary thing. It may be naff but it's necessary! It will get progressively less naff and you can help him on the way. I'm sure he'll continue to be lovely a lot of the time too! 'Kevin' begins to get noticeably socialised at 8 or 9 in my experience. However, like all developmental things it is gradual, slow, uneven and different for different children. My son is 12 years old so my direct experience ends there. Kevin has been mostly at bay, at least from me, for a couple of years.

Good luck!

Jojay · 18/01/2011 21:08

Great post Andre!

My DS's are 4 and 2 - so much to look forward to!

MintAeroBar · 18/01/2011 21:35

Andre - great post! Any tips on how to deal with it/what to say (or NOY say!) when they are being arsey?

FlorenceAndTheMachine · 18/01/2011 21:36

I have a 7 year old. He does have some Kevin moments I am afraid Grin

IwishIwasmoreorganised · 18/01/2011 21:40

Ds1 is 5.3, "Kevin" seems to be slowly becoming his aquaintance.

I have to admit to feeling a bit daunted by what's to come.

TheMags · 18/01/2011 21:56

So glad I found this post - I too have a 5 half year old "Kevin". Will be watching for tips.....

Andre1960 · 19/01/2011 11:48

Sorry for the delay in making a further contribution - had a bath and early night.

It's very difficult to give practical advice because so much depends on the dynamic between you and your son and the particulars of the situation. It may not seem very helpful but I think principles are better than specific advice because each parent must find their own way of putting principles into practice with their knowledge of themselves and their child. Also, a real bollock in parenting is that what works today may not work tomorrow! That is why parenting is such a creative challenge. Yippee!

First principle is that I don't think parents should accept unacceptable behaviour. Arsey is arsey and there is no need to pretend it's okay or anything other than arsey. However, what to do about it is another matter. I don't think arsey is best challenged by being arsey back because this tends to reinforce and escalate the arseyness However, an occasional shock is not a bad thing! The rest of the time it is better to undermine it. Sometimes that means ignoring it, but that can still be done in a way that makes it clear you are ignoring it precisely because it is unacceptable. As I mentioned before, humour works pretty well too. 'Kevin' is a comic character because he is funny. This perspective is both helpful as a response to the behaviour and good for our sanity! Try not to forget that despite appearances, inside 'Kevin' the child who is soppy and loving is still there. To whatever extent is possible, disregard 'Kevin' and continue to interact with that child even if he seems absent. This is undermining of the 'Kevin' part, affirming of the nice part, and reassuring to the child as a whole.

Here is some practical advice on ways that may help avoiding having to deal with Kevin in the first place:

It was very much the case with my son that certain activities and settings were more conducive to 'Kevin' emerging than others. Playing action-based computer games for more than 30 minutes or so almost always resulted in a rather nasty child. TV had a similar, albeit more diluted effect. Whenever practical, take Kevin outside and engage him in physical activities. That almost always worked a treat with my son and usually involved much less time and effort than resisting, fighting, disciplining, etc.

My son was often really ratty and objectionable immediately after being picked up from school. I used to think this was normal decompression and little could be done about it. Then I discovered that giving him something to eat would usually transform his mood. This is a good general lesson about children. They are physical beings and their darling little minds are tied much more closely to their bodies than we credit.

The second principle is accept the child but not the behaviour. However, the third principle is that if the child absolutely insists on identifying himself with the behaviour beyond endurance then the child should be punished, while making it clear that he and the behaviour are different things and he can and is making choices in all of this. Incidentally, children have very little foresight so a distant threat is almost useless. Upping the ante doesn't help either. One one occasion anger and frustration so got the better of my wife that my son ended up with something close to a lifetime television, computer, pocket money and friends coming over ban. You will always lose in a clash of egos with Kevin because Kevin's ego is stronger than yours. That is saying something very good about you.

Although it's not really possible to choose your son's friends, there are always some boys who are gentler and less competitive than others and it is good to encourage and facilitate those friendships. That is a good short-term and long-term strategy.

Sorry if this is rather general and vague. Hope there is something of help in it.

ki28 · 19/01/2011 12:36

hi,my ds is 6 in two months and along with all the above he has found anger also, grunting,stamping,shouting,shouting at us all. How do i deal with it? it can be the slightset of thing that triggers it?? thanks

Andre1960 · 20/01/2011 06:42

Hi ki28

I'm so sorry to hear of your problems with your son. Anger in a child is very painful and difficult to witness and deal with, particularly because of our awareness and concern that anger usually indicates some underlying distress.

It is terribly frustrating being 6 years old, both in terms of understanding and coming to terms with the rapid changes in oneself and dealing with the challenges of a bigger, more complicated and demanding world. Anger is a normal and healthy response to these difficulties. The challenge is to help your son manage his anger and direct it appropriately and constructively.

What is your son's attitude to school? I personally think that primary schools are not well adapted to the needs and capabilities of boys of your son's age. However, if you believe there are particular problems that are impacting adversely on your son at school, you should identify these to the school and seek their help to resolve, reduce or mitigate them. The school should be concerned with his welfare and should be prepared to put some effort into helping him.

I've found a couple of links which I think explain the context and the correct approach to take in dealing with an angry child. There is no toolkit - you have to construct that yourself as best you can guided by understanding and common sense. That should be good enough.

Child Development Institute guidance: here www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/parenting/angry_child.shtml

Super Nanny (most of the same stuff expressed in a style you'd expect from 'nanny' - i.e. somewhat simplistic and patronising) : here www.supernanny.co.uk/Advice/-/Parenting-Skills/-/Discipline-and-Reward/Dealing-with-a-very-angry-child.aspx

Singstar · 27/01/2011 13:52

Hi Everyone,

Sorry my blimmin computer's been on the blink so I haven't been able to read or reply. But I wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who replied - especially you Andre. My DS is still being a little bugger but its good to know that I'm not alone and I've got some good tips. Thanks again x

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smokeybacon · 27/01/2011 13:56

Just seen this. My DS1 is 5.6 now and displaying all the symptoms outlined about. The Kevin is there as is the anger too. Glad to see its normal! Although will read andres posts in detail for some tips. Thank you!

smokeybacon · 27/01/2011 13:56

Outlined above. Doh.

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