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TheGoddessBlossom · 28/12/2010 21:45

Hi all.I have no experience in this type of thing (apart from having my own two boys), and would really like to canvass MN opinions.

As I say I have 2 sons who are 4 and 6 so understand how noisy annoying and hard to handle they can be sometimes.

However my best friend's son, who I love dearly and is 3.9 displays the following behaviour:

Does not like hot food - butter for example has to be fully melted onto a crumpet before he would eat it, he won't tolerate seeing any evidence of it
Recoils from being touched, hugged, kissed except on rare occasions by his mum. Has never shown affection particularly.
Hates wearing clothes and will take them off given the slightest opportunity. Most of the time he is at home is wearing just pants and only because his mum insists.
He screams blue murder ALOT.
Throws frequent full on tantrums if he can't have what he wants, proper, lie down on the floor kicking and screaming tantrums, anywhere that he happens to be.
His mum has been told by his pre-school that he is very intelligent.
He potty trained very quickly, day and night.
He loves art and crafts things, one of the few things that hold his attention.
He is very violent, aggressive, hits out at other children and adults alot, and seems very dry angry alot of the time.
He obsesses over characters like Ben 10, despite rarely being allowed to watch it and acts out shooting and fighting scenes.
He is very hyper most of the time, runs around bouncing off walls and furniture, falls over and trips alot.

I know alot of these things are behaviours displayed by most kids at one time or another. But all of them? I think my BF has the patience of a saint, she stands her ground, talks to him calmly, disciplines using time out etc. But I feel for her, she finds it very hard.

What do you think?

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TheGoddessBlossom · 29/12/2010 08:39

wow - loads of good stuff on here this morning. Thankyou.

Fellatio Nelson - yes that was what I was thinking, funny boys some poeple must have as neither of mine are like this! No, they are not weaklings, just trying to do the right thing without being too hard on him.

Allam - yes your DD sounds very similar. He will climb and climb...

eroine - thanks so much about that intel re clothes, I had never thought of it that way. I will mention this to my BF. Also the Ben 10 thing.

Mariogoretti - yes my instincts are why I posted on here. Very relieved to have got some sensible responses, and not just the hoity toity "Why do you need to ask for opinions" kind of comments that put alot of people off MN. The defensive slam down implying that nothing is ever anyone else's business than the parents when friends and loved ones are wanting to help and support is just irritating. Thankyou all alot.

Bloss

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scarletbegonia · 29/12/2010 08:50

Some of the things you've described are normal to some boys but the overall picture does sound a bit unusual and worth both you and your friend keeping an eye on.

SlartyBartFast · 29/12/2010 08:56

does your friend mumsnet?

how is his communication btw?

TheGoddessBlossom · 29/12/2010 09:02

Slarty - no I don't think so.

His communication is ok, speech and pronunciation seems fine.

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Chandon · 29/12/2010 09:02

My DS1 was like that, but has mellowed a lot over time (he had ALL the above behaviour, minus the agressiveness, although could get violent if angry).

He needed LOTS of sports. We were living in a small flat, no parks nearby, and he was a lot better when doing 1-2 hours (!!!) sport or outdoor play a day.

He was obsessed by Ben10, although I never let him see it.

He just needed a lot of physical activity. I think lots of parents underestimate just how much. He is 7 now, and does Karate, Football, Tennis and Running Club.

TheGoddessBlossom · 29/12/2010 09:05

Hi Chandon - thankyou for that. BF has tried swimming with him but he hates having water on his face or going underneath. Still very young though so I think that could change.

She takes him to Football but he refuses to join in - tidies up or runs in the other direction but will not follow instructions from the coach at all. I think she is about to stop this as he seems to be getting zero from it.

He is better when tired and she does take him out alot, to the woods, the park, for walks etc.

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chivers1977 · 29/12/2010 09:14

This does sound exactly like my BF's DS who has ASD. Well done you for being supportive and picking up on this

stockingsurprise · 29/12/2010 20:33

He sounds very like my DS who also has ASD, but not dxd until age 8. I started questioning his behaviour when he was much younger, about the same as your BF's DS, but I ended up getting a lot of the same responses here - that I was overthinking things and he was just being a boy.

I work with NT children of that age now, so I know that it most certainly isn't normal behaviour! I wish I'd listened to my instincts long ago - I would urge your friend to raise her concerns with her GP and insist on a referral to a paediatrician.

Acanthus · 29/12/2010 20:38

I have two boys and I would share your concerns, OP

missldi · 29/12/2010 21:34

Aspergers from the sound of it-especially the tactile clothes element.Worth getting it checked out.

Desiderata · 29/12/2010 22:07

Do you not find it interesting that in a feminist society, all boys who display boyish behaviour have Aspergers?

'He obsesses over Ben 10 ....'

Whey hoooo!

TheGoddessBlossom · 29/12/2010 22:30

Bye desiderata. You are not adding anything useful. Do you not think I might be able to tell the difference between enthusiasm for a cartoon and a manic obsession with a character that fights added to many many other behaviour traits that together seem to point to behaviour that might need slightly different handling?

Why are you so determined to portray me as overreacting? I wouldn't post here on it if I hadn't been mulling it over for months. And what the hell has feminism got to do with it?

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amistillsexy · 29/12/2010 23:33

My DS1 was just like this at this age. He now (at age 7) has a dx of ASD (High functioning) and is almost impossible to handle.

I have 2 younger NT DSs and they are 'normal boys' in that, for instance, they have tantrums occassionally, when tired or thwarted. Their tantrums don't last for 2 or 3 hours, though.

They have interests and are heavily 'into' certain things (eg DS2 who looooves Playmobil), but not like DS1, who gets totally engrosed in subjects to the extent that he learns everything there is to learn , and then will suddenly drop that subject, and move onto another.

DS1 also has a need to spend alot of time outdoors, but in natural environments. A place with lots of people or things going on will make him very anxious.

I could go on and on...It is only when you experience the intensity of these things in a child with ASD that you realise what is meant by an 'obsession' or 'sensory processing difficulty'. It is completely different to what you see in 'normal' children and when the child has all these things at once, it's obvious to those close to the child that there's some sort of a problem.
I think if people have no experience of children with ASD they can hear the list of things like the OP gave in her opening post and think it's an exaggeration, or that she's 'over thinking', or else these things only happen occassionally or in certain circumstances.
One thing that really upset me when I was considering whether or not something was 'wrong' was hosts of people telling me that their child did this or that, or it's just 'normal' behaviour. I would find myself giving more and more examples of his extreem behaviour in order to try and convince the person I was talking to that this was NOT 'normal', and make myself feel and sound like all ever did was complain about the boy.

My Ds1's Godmother is one of the few 'friends' I had at the time who never once said I was worrying over nothing, or 'Oh yes, mine had tantrums/obsessions/refused to wear clothes at that age'. God bless her, she just listened, poured the tea and just kept telling me she loved him no matter what, and whatever the Dx, he was, and always will be, what he is. And we have to love him for what he is.

I still appreciate her input and her opinion. The opinions of the 'friends' who tried to fob me off are no longer saught. Some are well and truly OFF my Christmas list!

When I was in the same position as your friend, I welcomed my good friend broaching the subject gently and giving me the chance to discuss all my concerns without judging me or dismissing my worries. It really is the most exhausting, confusing and soul detroying thing to be living with a child with challenging behaviour, no matter how well you deal with it.

One last thought, I have dealt with it so well that I am currently fighting tooth and nail to have some sort of help from one of the many agencies 'involved'. All of them say the same thing- that we seem to be managing very well, and then they run away. Some have even openly admitted that if we weren't 'managing' they'd be able to offer all sorts of programmes to help his behaviour. The fact that I'm totally on my knees and my other 2 Dss never get a look in is not seen to be an issue!

Desiderata · 30/12/2010 23:23

My problem with your OP, Goddess, is that it's obvious you're talking about your own child. So therefore, yes, I have goaded you to some extent, into an honest response.

If you suspect that your child has Aspergers, then the first step is to admit it to those you seek advice from.

The second step is to accept that whether it's a cleft pallate, an ingrowing toenail, a speech impediment, or a life threatening disease, it's not your fault.

coppertop · 30/12/2010 23:36

Aspergers was the first thing that came to mind tbh. At the very least it sounds like there are some sensory issues going on there. My ds (AS) used to get particularly hyper when he was in sensory-input-seeking mode.

TheGoddessBlossom · 31/12/2010 16:19

Desiderata you could not be further from the truth. It is not my own child. Thank God! Would have posted much earlier on MN to canvas opinion if it was.

You have just given me even more reason to ignore everything you are saying.

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TheGoddessBlossom · 31/12/2010 16:21

amistillsexy - your post was great thanks so much. Particularly the point about being a good friend is not to fob her off as reading too much into his behaviour. DH does not think I should mention it to her as he thinks it would damage our friendship and I should leave well alone, but I diasgree. Just have to do it gently and allow her to think out loud to me I guess....

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ceebeegeebies · 31/12/2010 20:12

Desiderata I just want to support the OP and say that I know that the child she is talking about is absolutely not one of hers so you are way off mark.

Bloss glad you have got some answers Smile Happy New Year!

blackeyedsusan · 31/12/2010 22:15

It doesn't sound quite right to me either, I have taught in nurseries and would be thinking of talking to the senco to get advice. But I have only got your post to go on so it is difficult to tell. I wouldn't hazard a guess to what I thought, but I would say it needs some sort of follow up, maybe with the health visitor or gp. But then again, you know your friend best.

Sorry I can't be more specific, just a not quite rightness about it all really and after all if it turns out to be nothing there is nothing lost, something and your friend gets help.

TheGoddessBlossom · 01/01/2011 10:03

Happy New Year Ceebeegeebies!!! Grin

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ImeldaSnowboots · 01/01/2011 10:21

I would agree that what you are describing is not nomal 'boy' behaviour, yes, a little, but not all of it. I have DS (5) and one of his friends has been very 'difficult' since small, it doesn't help the mum to brush it off as 'normal' when its really hard work. He's now in school & has been referred for assessment, his mum seems very relieved, that there's a reason why he has been so hard to cope with.

I would say, OP, not to be the only person suggesting assessment, but to support your BF if she pursues it. If he's at or due to go to a good pre-school/nursery, they'll probably notice & suggest referral.

shitmagnet · 01/01/2011 11:00

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TheGoddessBlossom · 01/01/2011 11:01

Waves at spin and CB!! Grin

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TheGoddessBlossom · 01/01/2011 11:04

sleeps ok as far as I know Spin - does knock about in his room for a long time before actually settling but I think gets the required hours....

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cornsilkcornedbeefhash · 01/01/2011 11:12

as has already been mentioned it's the intensity of the behaviour and how much it interferes with his ability to lead his life which is the issue.
Is life very difficult for he and his mum due to his behaviour? If it is ASD or a related difficulty then it will be.