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4 year old's obstinate/wilful behaviour - plus tantrums galore, what to do?

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happynappies · 12/10/2010 13:50

My dd is 4 next month. She's had a major change recently in that we had a baby girl three weeks ago, whom she loves. She's at her happiest getting things for the baby, choosing clothes for her to wear the next day, helping with her bath etc etc. We've tried to build on these positives by using them as incentives e.g. if dd1 gets her pyjamas on quickly she can help with dd2's bath, which has had limited success but...

the tantrums and obstinate behaviour are driving me up the wall. I have an 18-month-old ds too, and on a typical morning I get up at 5.30, bf the baby, then get myself ready, and spend from 7am until 9am trying to coax the nearly 4 yr old to eat breakfast, get washed, get dressed and get out the door for pre-school. I can easily get the 18-month-old and newborn ready, nappies changed numerous times, fed etc in half the time it takes me to get my eldest ready. This usually results in me screaming the place down (I know, I know) and pushing her out of the door. We arrive at pre-school in a complete state, and it isn't right, I know. Then in the evening it starts again around tea time, with slow eating (she'd take over an hour if she could, be we set a limit of 20 minutes) and bath-time (again each individual task takes endless time - getting clothes off, going to the toilet, getting teeth brushed). She will scream 'no!' in my face when I ask her to do something. We've tried quiet time then time out having done a triple p course with my health visitor, but this doesn't work as she's not bothered at all about time out as a sanction, and just screams the place down and thrashes about. We've tried star charts with small toys as rewards, we've tried making everything a game e.g. a race with Daddy every morning to see who can get dressed first, with baby 'guessing' who is going to win... Nothing seems to work though. She is incredibly hard work, and puts her hands over her ears when I tell her something she doesn't want to do, which is basically everything! I know she's had a major change in the arrival of her new sibling, and perhaps my expectations are too high as she is still only three, but I hate the way she talks to me, shows no willingness to do anything, and am really begining to dislike her, although I still love her if you know what I mean! Anybody??

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PorridgeBrain · 12/10/2010 19:39

Hi happynappies

No advice I'm afraid but empathy (and watching with interest) as I am going through the same thing with my just turned 3 yr old daughter (who incidentally has a 4 month old sister).

On the days she is lovely, she is an absolute pleasure to be with and always loves her sister to bits regardless of the mood she is in. However on the bad days which seem like most days at the moment, she back chats us constantly, refuses to do what's asked, makes faces or growls at us and I feel like I am living with 'Kevin the Teenager' already. We too have exhausted reward charts, naughty step and in extreme cases bedroom.

My best bet is to ignore her and tell her that I do not wish to speak to her while she behaves like this - that sometimes works as she HATES being ignored but its sooo wearing and often have similar feelings of dislike towards her which I then feel extremely guilty about. For us, I think tiredness plays a large part in it and just started pre-school has not helped so our best bet is to do what we can to prevent the tiredness (easier said than done!)

BlueBumedFly · 12/10/2010 20:44

BBF loiters with interest...

happynappies · 12/10/2010 21:45

Sounds very familiar PorridgeBrain - my dd can be so lovely - she says kind things to me which have me in tears occasionally, and every evening when shes fast asleep I vow that tomorrow I won't shout at her, and I'll just have endless patience to deal with her behaviour... that lasts about five minutes in reality. Interesting that you mention about being ignored, I was talking to dh about this the other day and he said the one thing that works with her is ignoring her, as she really hates it. Interesting too that you say about tiredness, today when she came back from pre-school I gave her a drink and snack pretty instantly, and we had a better time of it. I think she must be tired by the end of the day as she is up fairly early in the morning, and goes to sleep as soon as she gets to bed, but like you said not sure what else to do to prevent the tiredness. Hard work isn't it??! Hope someone has some ideas to share soon!

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Tgger · 15/10/2010 22:27

Ah, has her behaviour got worse since baby. If so, then roll with it. Try to give her some really good attention, even if just for short time. 15 minutes of premium attention can work wonders.

If not then re-think boundaries etc. My son is same age. We send him to his room rather than any other punishment. This works as it gets him out of the way and gives everyone time to calm down. Also, he hates it.

Can her behaviour have more consequences? Screaming "No" is rude and shouldn't be accepted- a warning, a polite reminder to do as she is told, then a consequence. Be consistent (firm but nice) and she should get the idea.

Am sure it will get better. Although she is on the surface thrilled with her new baby sister it must be a big change and quite unsettling.

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