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How do you deal with a defiant child

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AngelHMum · 13/09/2010 15:46

My friend apprears to have given birth to the child from hell, she is at her wit's end with him and has asked me for advice but despite having had 4 myself I don't know what to suggest.

He is defiant he says no and he means no and he goads his parents with this constantly. He kicks, he bites, he screams, he is rude and he just refuses to accept any house rules his parents lay down.

When I suggested the naughty step, cushion, rug etc... or perhaps a reward chart she said "We tried the naughty step but he just laughs at us and abuses us from it - he thinks it's fun. The longer we leave him there the more abuse we get" "When we tried reward charts he pulled them off the wall and tore them up. I got some more and he threw food and squirted ketchup at them up the wall until they were useless"

My friend has been telling me similar stories for months and I did think she was exaggerating until we went to visit them this weekend and saw it with our own eyes.

However as soon as we left the house to go to the park he was as good as gold, he played nicely, had fun and was nice to his two sisters and my four children.
He had no problems leaving the park and walked nicely home.
However as soon as we were indoors again and preparing tea all hell let loose, he bit, kicked or scratched every other child. He ran into the garden and hurled the guinea pig cage over, luckily the animals were unhurt, he drew on the tv screen with marker pen and he pummelled his mother's legs with his fists. When she asked him to stop and held his hands to stop him, he started kicking her.

She sent him to the naughty step and he went without argument and then as she had said he started to verbally assault all of us present. Obviously he's 4 so nothing too alarming but we were stupid or useless or rubbish, that sort of thing. All done in a high pitched and screechy voice. His parents asked him to be quiet and he turned the volume up.

I was at my wits end after three hours, how they live with it day to day I don't know, but I don't know how to advise her with this. My four kids have all had their moments but this was horrific, and she's no amateur either she has three children.

She said she is wondering if he has ADHD or something similar but his behavious as soon as we walked out the house was dramatically different, like turning a light switch on and off.
He is also not behaving badly at pre-school where they say he is very well mannered and good. To me he is in control of how he behaves like this, it's not a condition he can't help.

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can help my friend, I have never seen anything like this behaviour before and I truly don't know how to advise her to stop it and how she gets back in control.

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Effjay · 13/09/2010 15:59

Wow. Sounds like he's not that keen on being indoors. Maybe he's got a bit of a testosterone surge at the moment and needs to burn off that excess energy and aggression.

I would not get into any confrontation with him as that seems to inflame the situation. If he blows up, be as calm as you can - he won't expect that! I would also make sure that there is plenty for him to do in the garden so that he can burn off his energy outside as much as possible.

I don't like naughty step or sending to bedroomn. Withdrawing privileges is the most powerful ime. Rewarding good behaviour goes hand in hand with this.

Don't know if it'll help - just an idea Smile

mummytime · 13/09/2010 16:01

She needs to go to her doctor and get a referral, the family probably needs some kind of family therapy.
I'd hesitate to say more, because I do think they need a qualified outsider to observe and explain what is going on.

BumChin · 13/09/2010 16:02

Well for starters she is using the naughty step incorrectly. It should be located in a quiet spot away from all the action. If he is able to still get attention from it then it's not going to work. He needs to be removed from the situation, told fimly why and then made to sit there until he has finsihed his 'time'.

Furthermore, you say she 'asked' him to stop hitting. She needs to be more assertive. At 4yrs old, I would give no warning for hitting, just a very firm, 'NO DS we do not hit' and straight onto the naughty step away from the action.

Tortington · 13/09/2010 16:06

i would take him to doctor get him checked out, usually huge frustration has a root - eg, my dd was partially deaf, i had no idea but it explained lOADS of behavioural issues from when she was little. so deffo advise her to do this.

I would also say that if no strategy seems to be working for her, and there is no medical issue, then she isn;t using one method consistantly, and is giving in to the pressure created by the child. if she says she isn't shes full of shit.

its like the poeple who say " no matter how many times i put him back to bed he gets up"

bollocks

do it consistantly for a week. reassert yourself as ALPHA female and things will be right.

we are animals, she has to assert her alpha status. i firmly believe this.

AngelHMum · 13/09/2010 16:28

Mummytime - having witnessed it I wonder too if she needs to get some outside help in.

BumChin -I can assure you she is using the naughty step correctly - it is out of the way and not in a main thoroughfare of the house. She has dealt successsfully with bringing up her daughters so she is no novice.

He does not appear to care if he's removed from the action - he has a voice like a foghorn that goes through the house.

I too have told her to be firm and assertive but it is all like water off a duck's back to him.

I think I am going to have to broach the idea of getting him checked out although I do still believe he has control over it.

This sounds a bit loopy but it's almost like he's got huge anger with his parents and sisters. Although I don't know why or how, he's well cared for, he has a nice house, nice toys doesn't want for anything but is not spoiled rotten. Yet it's like he's punishing them all but can't verbalise what it is.

Does that sound off the wall ?

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BumChin · 13/09/2010 16:37

nO, it doesn't sound off the wall. At 4, there is a theory that boys get a testosterone surge which can make them very hormonal and aggressive.

If she is asking him to stop hitting her how is that using the naughty step correctly?

AngelHMum · 13/09/2010 17:12

BumChin - she is doing everything correctly as far as I can see - as soon as he kicks off he is there swiftly and with no messing about. However he appears to like it there - he is not contrite or sorry like most children are.
He's like the terminator he absolutely will not stop !!

He hits her so she puts him on the naughty step where he sits laughing or calling everyone names. He honestly doesn't care, it means nothing to him. He refuses to say sorry after 4 minutes - he'll poke his tongue out or call her names. So she leaves him for another four minutes and in the meantime he goes back to his verbal abuse, and on it goes. He'd stay there all day and she's told me that somedays he has. He doesn't attempt to leave it he stays there.

I have seen it and it's shocking - he could not give a fig what his mum or dad does or says, where they put him or for how long.

I am worried that my friend will have a breakdown - she is worried that she just can't parent boys but I think they all have to get some treatment.

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