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Screaming fits in a 4 year old

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WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 18:24

My dd is usually very well-behaved, and I've never really had any behaviour from her that I haven't been able to handle. But she's recently started having dreadful screaming and crying fits whenever things go wrong, or she can't do something she wants to do. It's sheer frustration, I'm sure, but I don't really know how to stop it.

As an example, another MNer came round this afternoon to pick up a swing and a slide, and dd wanted to help load it into the car. She took one piece, and I realised she hadn't got anything on her feet. She ran inside to get some shoes, and I said not to worry, there were only a few pieces left. The next thing I hear is a scream fit to wake the dead - I thought she'd hurt herself, she was screaming and so upset that she was incoherent. Turns out it was because she had wanted to help, and she hadn't been able to. It took nearly an hour before she was back to normal again.

It isn't happening all the time; I'm still able to say "no" to things that she wants but I don't want her to have, but these tantrums are happening whenever she gets frustrated by things, whenever she can't manage to do things for herself, or whenever she thinks she's being treated unfairly. My usual reaction to behaviour I don't want to encourage is either to ignore it or, if that's not appropriate, she has "time out" either on the bottom step or in her bedroom, but neither really seems to be working here and I'm having to really struggle to keep calm myself when this starts.

I know it's just a phase; I know she'll grow out of it (or at least I hope so!) but I'm at a loss on how to deal with it at the moment. Any tips or tricks I could try would be gratefully received!

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WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 18:45

I know there are far more interesting threads on here today than this one, but I really could use a bit of advice please

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chicagomum · 24/08/2005 18:59

i know what you mean about other threads even when i did a mini hijack on one of them i struggled to get responses on a problem i'd posted (although a few kind people have popped on to help ). with regards to yourdd i can sympathise as mine (3.5) does the same, i can't help but will be watching to see if anone has words of advice (i'm currently hoping she'll just grow out of it - and into the next problem

WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 19:04

I'm sure they'll grow out of it ... it's just finding ways to cope with it while they do! I know I'm lucky that I've never had any difficulty coping with her behaviour before, but this one is driving me nuts!

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chicagomum · 24/08/2005 19:08

do you find ignoring it helps? with my dd this sometimes works, i think thats when it is more for attention, when it is genuine fustration, i get down to her level (physically not emotional iyswim) and calmly ask her what is upsetting her and what can i do to help (sometimes it works, often it doesn't) if i can get her to start verbalising about the problem then its sometimes poss to jointly figure it out although often she just shrieks at me to go away so i do and just let it fizzle out it its own good time

WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 19:12

I usually ignore behaviour I don't want repeating, and usually it works, but this is something else. The screaming and crying is so intense that she's completely incoherent, and she doesn't take in anything that I say. If she does try to talk it's impossible to make out what she's saying, so she just gets more and more out of control and incoherent.

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hatstand · 24/08/2005 19:13

hi wwb - i have just posted about 5 year old fury - it's driving me and dh up the wall - dd1 is also generally good,kind and helpful but frustration or perceived injustice can provoke an hour of apalling behavior. we try really hard to show her that she is in control - ie in your eg we would tell her that if she had simply said, calmly, 'mummy, i really wanted to help, please could you talk one piece out so i can put it in' it would have been ok - but it doesn't make any difference - she just doesn't seem to understand that if she controls herself and asks nicely for things that she can usually get her way [even if it's a bizarre request, like the above. so.... no useful advice at all....but lots of empathy!

Kayleigh · 24/08/2005 19:13

oh WigWamBam, you have my sympathies. I'm going to be no help whatsoever as my 4 year old ds has been doing this too. It has been going on for about 3 or 4 months but is definitely not getting better. I am at my wits end.

Will keep bumping this for you till someone notices us

WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 19:15

It's awful, Kayleigh, isn't it. I find myself getting so wound up with her as well, it's so hard to control the way I'm feeling about it all.

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unicorn · 24/08/2005 19:17

ds (3) quite often 'loses the plot' and goes into meltdown.

I too have tried ignoring,but it can go on and on and on... louder and louder, until I reckon someone would call the police.

When I am in a calm mood the best thing is to hold him tight, cuddle, tell him everything will be ok.

He feels things very intensely (like moi!) and sometimes just need reassurance and security (I think.)

Not always easy to do I know, but it might be worth a try?

Kayleigh · 24/08/2005 19:18

When he screams it sounds like he has hurt himself really badly - but it has got to the point where I don't even go to him. If we are out and people hear it they must think I'm the worst mother in the world leaving my poor child whilst he is hurting so badly.

Two minutes later he can be running around laughing and smiling again. Little sod

Mud · 24/08/2005 19:22

i htink you need to teach her a way to calm down as she obviusly gets upset then can't actually find her way out. a friend of mine taught her daughter to suck her thumb. me, I prefer teaching them to breathe deeply - in through nose out through mouth, count it off to 3 or 5 or 10 whatever - and start by saying I know its really difficult but you need to calm down now and then we can talk

WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 19:35

Thanks, Mud. I've tried holding her and telling her gently that she needs to calm down, but she really can't - and I think you're right, she doesn't know how to stop.

I'll try the breathing thing next time it happens and see how it goes. Did you find it took long for yours to learn to do it, or to respond to your instructions to breathe?

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Mud · 24/08/2005 19:39

you need to use a really calm voice and just be patient - keep reassuring them you know how difficult it is but if they want to calm down this is how. show them how to do it and do the breathing with them, its best if they are lying down really on a couch or bed. can't really remember how long it took mine to learn but a few episodes I think . good luck

WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 19:41

Thanks, that's helpful.

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Mud · 24/08/2005 19:44

the aim is to get them to focus on something else rather than the upset, like yoga really, the harder they focus on their breathing the easier it is to let go of other sides

WigWamBam · 24/08/2005 19:49

Makes sense - you'd do it as an adult in a stressful situation, I just hadn't thought to try it with a child.

I'll let you know when she has the next one ... tomorrow, probably

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bea · 24/08/2005 20:01

WWB - you are describing my dd (just turned 4 in july) to a tee!... she's normally a very easy going, happy little thing....but....

recently if things are not right there are absolute howls of fury and screaming!!!

we had a hissy fit in the middle of Solihull high street yesterday because we had gone to get school shoes, very happy with the choice, liked having her feet measured etc, talked nicely and politely to the lady and just as i was paying she wanted to sit on those stool things with a 'slide' where the older children prop there feet on i suppose...

so i said... yes... quick go and have a sit whilst i pay... to whcih she started whining that she wanted to have her feet measured on it... by this time i thought.. enough is enough lets get out... and then as soon as we stepped out of the shoe shop... howls and screams "I wanted to sit on the box and have my feet measured!!!!!"..

then it all became incomprehensible due to the sobs and screams... i (very pleased here!) stayed very calm and just let her get on with it... explaining very calmly that the box things weren't really for littlies to get ther feet measured and that the lady was very busy and we were not going back so she could get her feet measured!...

so cue, screaming, howling, refusing to walk with me, walking in front of me, refusing to wipe her face (very teary and snotty at this stage!) and then i pointed out a picture in a shop window to whcih she completely stopped and started talking to me as if absolutely nothing had happenned!!! She's freaking me out!!!!!

i find that she does get like this when she is tired (we've been doing a lot of toing and froing -summer hols etc - recently and she's a little out of routine but the hissy fit thing is sooo annoying... at times i've just wanted to slap her as she can get very very petulant and back chatty!

like you said i think we just have to ride it out and not let it get to us... never mind them taking deep breaths.. what about us!!! Gawd help us... i thought we were finished with the threenager thing... what do you call the fours????

good luck!

bea · 24/08/2005 20:02

Mud - i think you maybe right and it's back to the old distracting thing... !

nooka · 24/08/2005 20:05

I did breathing with ds who had similar issues between 4 & 5 (seems to have grown out of it now - we have great sulking fits instead, which are much easier to ignore!). It helped a bit, but usually only at the starting to come of of it phase, as he really lost control at full peak and really had to be left on his own until he was calm enough to listen, and at the sobbing stage. Dd, just turning 5 has never been quite so bad (ds got referred to a paediatrician by his school), and I find offering her a drink of water really helps to get her to the stage we can talk things through.

Monstersmum · 24/08/2005 20:38

I sympathise - my DS (4) also loses the plot if things don't go his way. He starts throwing things around the room! Takes after me who in turn takes after my Dad! Have to say that I often lose it too in return - how mature am i?! Then it becomes a case of who can scream louder! I win usually.

I like the breathing suggeston though - for me if not for him!

WigWamBam · 25/08/2005 12:01

Bea, this is the thing, isn't it - normally dd is so well-behaved, happy and easy-going, but you'd never believe it when she acts like this. People think that she's kicking off because she's spoiled and used to getting her own way all the time, but it's not the case - this is something that comes right out of the blue.

I tried the breathing thing this morning when she went off on one in the Body Shop ... she had wanted to give the cashier the money herself, but I (not being a mind-reader, despite what my dd thinks) didn't know that and had already paid. Complete melt-down again - but she did actually respond to the breathing thing. It got up the nose of the woman serving us but if I can ignore a 4 year old I can ignore anyone (Mind you, the cashier did give dd a free sample of some bubble-bath to try and make her feel better after the tantrum had finished - which may have helped as well).

It took a few minutes but did seem to stop it escalating in the way that it normally does. I think it's something that we can work on, and that might work for us. Many thanks, Mud.

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