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Is this 'normal' behaviour?

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iwouldgoouttonight · 01/08/2010 19:40

DS is nearly 4 and has always been quite shy in social situations (like me) but I take him out to groups, visiting friends, etc to try and get him more used to mixing with other children - he normally is very shy/anxious when we get there, even if he knows everyone but gradually settles in and normally seems to enjoy himself.

But in the last few months he's been behaving oddly. Last weekend we went to see a friend if his from nursery - he is always talking about her and asking if he can go to play at her house, so me and her mum arranged for us to go round. All the way there he was excitedly chattering about it, then as soon as we got out of the car he hid. Didn't want to go into the house. Eventually I carried him in and he stood by the front door crying saying he wanted to go home. He can be sometimes like this in a new place so we left him for a bit and he eventually came in. The mum offered him a drink and he yelled at her - I don't like milk. So she got him another one (although I said not to if he is going to behave like that) and he yelled again saying it was in the wrong colour cup.

Then in the half an hour we were there he broke two of his friend's toys, and hit her and made her cry. I suggested we go out to the park so we were on 'neutral' ground and he spent most of the time there trying to push her off the climbing frame and spitting at her. We never let him get away with that sort of behaviour (and he wouldn't do it at home - he knew he was being naughty - he even said - I'm going to throw stones at her now) so I spent most of the time telling him to stop, putting him in the corner, etc.

When we got home and I tried to talk about it he wouldn't say anything. I feel awful - the girl and her mum are lovely but I hardly know them, just from dropping him at nursery - but they are always talking about each other and the carers at nursery say they're inseparable so I just don't understand why he behaved like that when he saw her out of nursery.

A few weeks before we went to a birthday party at a soft play place for another of his friends, he was excited all the way there again, but when we were there he wouldn't go into the play area, wouldn't play and games and didn't speak to anyone.

When its bedtime he has started saying he wants me to put him to bed, rather than DP (we normally take it in turns). And he gets himself so worked up into a huge tantrum when it is DP's turn to get him ready and read him a story. The other evening it took half an hour to calm him down. I try not to give in because I don't want him to think tantrums get him his own way, but I was in tears listening to him screaming that he wants mummy and hitting DP because he didn't want him. Once he eventually calmed down, DP put him to bed and he was absolutely fine.

We're also having issues with toileting (15 months and still at least one accident a day and he will always say he doesn't want to go even if he is clearly desperate).

We also have a DD, 18 months, and wonder if a lot of it is down to competing for attention with her. But its really difficult - I already give him more attention than her, luckily she is happy to go off and play on her own, and if we are going somewhere and DP is at work, she has to come too, so I have to share attention between them.

The only other things I thought were if he could be tired and needs more sleep, or is missing something in his diet. He's starting school in september and I'm wondering whether some of it is anxiety about that.

Do you think I should worry or is this normal behaviour for this age? Its just that I see other children getting excited about seeing friends, running off and playing happily together, being polite and friendly, and I'm starting to dread taking him out because I don't know how he'll be.

Any ideas/suggestion/reassurance (if anyone has managed to read to the end of what has turned into quite a long post!)

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llareggub · 01/08/2010 19:54

Blimey, I wondered for a moment if you were my DH posting about our DS, who is also nearly 4. They sound so similar, even down to the younger sibling.

No advice, but I'm right there with you.

iwouldgoouttonight · 02/08/2010 09:33

Thanks - I've just been talking to a friend about it and she said she would have been more firm with him - e.g. at his friend's house we should have just gone home as soon as he started hitting out.

I sometimes worry that I'm being too lenient and letting him get away with too much, but other times I worry I'm being too strict and he actually needs me to allow him to do more to build his confidence.

I don't know what I'm doing at the minute - the way he's being lately I want to send him back and swap him for a nicer child!

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Ripeberry · 02/08/2010 09:46

Maybe the other child reminded him of impending school?
Just have lots of fun this summer, don't even talk about school until the week before and see how it goes.
Someone at our pre-school had a child who would cry EVERY morning going to the pre-school, would not go to parties (mum had to be with him all the time) and even then he would just sit with her.
He went to reception and fitted right in no problem.

Maybe limit play dates as well or as you said, go to neutral ground so there is no jealousy or competitiveness (sp?)

As a kid, I remember being a right horrible child before starting secondary school, but it was because I was very worried about it but did not want to talk about it to my parents.

Was OK in the end

Good luck, I'm sure things will be easier when he actually starts 'big' school.

iwouldgoouttonight · 02/08/2010 11:20

The other child is going to a different school to him, which is part of the reason we're trying to see each other outside of nursery so we can keep in touch when they leave nursery.

We don't talk about going to school very much so I'd be surprised if that was what is worrying him, but maybe he's keeping it bottled up and is worrying without us realising.

We definitely need to help build his confidence as he does get very nervous/anxious in new situations. We do praise him a lot, encourage him to try new things, etc - I'm not sure what else we can do.

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mummytime · 02/08/2010 11:34

Try signposting everything (and do warn his school he seems to have problems with change). So before going somewhere new, make sure he knows what is going to happen. We will go to Stacey's house, we will ring the door bell, then I want you to say "hello", then we will go in, you might be asked if you want a drink, what kind of drink do you think you will want? water or milk?....and so on.

It is easier on neutral ground, as then it is easier to make a quick exit.

I have to say my DD is much better behaved with her teachers than me. But she does get very nervous about new things (but copes much better if I'm not there for some reason).

iwouldgoouttonight · 02/08/2010 15:55

Signposting seems a good idea - thanks. Maybe I need to go into more detail about what will happen.

We are worried that he is missing something in his diet because even when he has just woken up he seems a bit listless. And when he's tired his behaviour is worse.

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ragged · 02/08/2010 15:59

Within the normal spectrum for some boys. Over-excited, over-tired in the blink of an eye, can't deal with his own emotions (check, check, check).

I also suspect that tackling his anxieties is the right way to help him mellow out.

Ripeberry · 02/08/2010 17:17

Have you tried Omega 3 oil? Supposed to be very good for children.
Even in the 1970's 1980's my brother and I were given the 'horrid version' of pure black cod liver oil on a spoon.....boik!

But the modern equivalent is much nicer.

ragged · 03/08/2010 08:49

DS is on fish oils (recently), he gets this down ok (doesn't taste of anything).

I heard that you should make sure there's more EPA than DHA in the supplement, btw. Something to look for.

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