Is speech development linked to IQ?

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Friend told me today her son is obviosuly VERY bright as his speech is so adult and they have full flowing conversations backwards and forwards. He is 2:9 years old.

My DS often totally ignores me if I ask a question! His speech is coming on but its a bit slow, although his receptive langauge is very good.

So is DS doomed to not be as bright as his pal??

Nope. DS has/had delayed speech and receptive language, tested well when they did non-verbal intelligence test as part of ASD assessment. sounds like friend is doomed to be a bit of a twat....

My DS is a late everything, walker, talker, self-feeder, good sleeper, all of it (NCT groups were fun!). When he gets to the main milestones, he does it easily and happily. When he walked he just did it, never really fell over, never had to worry about him crashing to the ground. Once he was talking he had a HUGE vocab straight away and could chat away easily. I'm hoping the same is true of potty training as he's 2.7 - if true to form he'll suddenly decide to ditch nappies and be dry at night immediately.

Just trying to emphasise the positive. EVERYONE I KNOW has children who have passed the major milestones before my DS, which was really difficult when he was tiny and I had PND, not I see that he's a bright, wonderful 2.7yo. Yes, he's the last to potty train, but I don't give a shit anymore.

One thing he's always been ahead of his peers is empathy - he's such a thoughtful, kind, generous, funny, loving little boy)

Sorry, this has turned into a 'my boy is best because' post,

also:

My DP doesn't remember anything before he was 6. He was a very late talker (3.5+) and he's exceptionally intelligent.

now, sorry.

I think it may be down to motivation.

Ds1 was early to most developmental milestones including talking/ sentence formation. IMO this was because he was (and still is) frustrated and desperate to reach beyond where he currently is.

Ds2 is far more laid back and so is his language ability, to the degree that he was nearly referred to SALT.

However, when comparing them on new tasks/experiences Ds2 invariably is better because he analyses before acting whereas ds1 will immediatley try to be the master of any situation and so will often faiul.

My redoubtable ex SIl had the perfect answer for people questioning why her son wasn't a big talker. "He's so exceptionally bright that he can't be bothered to speak to you..."

WhatTheDeuce good name

It works both ways; it's a long life (hopefully) and it makes no difference whether they talk early or not. However, maybe the op's friend is just proud of her son and not making a comment about the op's child.

I don't think people who are proud of their bright toddlers are 'thick' or 'tossers' though. Perhaps they should be a bit more sensitive to others, but we're all proud of our dc aren't we? I agree that it isn't necessary to tell everyone but they aren't the most evil parents in the world, which is how it sometimes seems on here.

We're all proud of our children. But the type of person that is so pround of their bright toddlers that they bore you to bloody death about the artistic quality of their latest finger-painting (that was one party I couldn't wait to leave)... they really do need to get a life.

pirateparty - it'd be really helpful though if the parents of the early achievers didn't rub it in my face and gloat abotu how intelligent it makes their little darling.

'Jareth, he's not very good with his words yet, is he? Do you spend enough one-on-one time with him?' (at 20mo - and fully equipped with makaton, thank you judgemental friend)
'Jareth, aren't you worried that he isn't walking yet?' )at 15mo
'Jareth, if I were you I'd just start potty training and make him do it'

Generally they even out by 5 anyway...

Yes I can understand that Chil.

And yes, Jareth I agree that it is horrid to say things like that - also unhelpful and unkind.

I just meant though that sometimes parents are just proud without comparing their children to yours. Mind you, no-one has ever compared their child to mine and vice versa. Find it a bit odd to be honest. My friends and I don't really do that - maybe if they did I'd 'get' it a bit more.

pirate, I know what you meant

Sorry, of all things it's a touchy subject. I'm confident in DS's abilities but it's left over from when he was 13mo and still not walking???????

sorry, didn't mean to be arsey

And I'd be furious if someone had compared ds to theirs in that way

OP, sorry to have taken your thread on a ranty tangent

not really and I mean that from a developemntal psycholgy perspective. A few studies have measured attention, perception, motor abilities and early vocab (as a kind of baby IQ test if you will) and taking all three into account they have some limited sucess in predicting later IQ....

OK well it depends what you mean by bright. I have a 3 year old who has a severe speech delay - he is about 18 months behind in terms of expressive speech. He doesn't look bright TBH, he is often in his 'own world', he doesn't answer questions, he doesn't have many friends and has a delay I think in his social development as it is very hard for him to make friends - he doesn't play with other children his age (except his older brother).

BUT he has been evaluated by various specialists and psychologist and he scores way above average on most aspects of his development - from physical to mental. For example, he was tested by a developmental psychologist and did a puzzle aimed at 5 year old (he was 2.5 at the time). I am convinced that he has a high IQ - because of his understanding of space and time, and his ability to do and understand maths.

I would never discribe him as 'bright' because in my mind, a 'bright' child is outgoing, chatty, friendly, sais clever things, etc.