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Saorsa

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Mogwalla · 24/06/2023 19:40

It’s the Scottish Gaelic equivalent of the Irish Saoirse (Seersha) meaning freedom. Pronounced Sa-orsha.

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KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 08:37

I thought it was Soorsa too.,@Scottishflower.
Doesn't S need an E or an I to make a SH sound?
Is the 'oo' the sort of Scottish version not a general UK 'oo'?
LearnGaelic - Gaelic sounds – Pronounce ao
(I don't know much about Gaelic pronunciation)

BostonMA · 03/04/2024 08:44

What is it with MN and the obsession that a name MUST be easily pronounced in England? Names shouldn’t have to be angslised
lots of people around the world have names that English people don’t know how to pronounce but you learn, England is not the centre of the universe

KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 08:55

@BostonMA , it's because if your name is not easily pronounced in English, people will get it wrong. Having your name mangled or misspelt can be an issue.

I agree that they shouldn't be anglicised because it just doesn't work.
Not the same name but how would on anglicise Saoirse? Seersha would probably get said as See-uh-sha or See-sha.
How would you anglicise sounds that don't occur in English?

CreateYourOwnUsername · 03/04/2024 08:58

I like it

I am Irish but lived in Scotland for a few years. Never came across this name, so think it is unusual? I was in central belt and then the Highlands

ColleenDonaghy · 03/04/2024 09:15

Old thread but I'm Irish and would guess at Sair-sa, but I don't know how Gaelic and Irish differ.

Wonder if OP picked it!

Liv999 · 03/04/2024 12:33

BostonMA · 03/04/2024 08:44

What is it with MN and the obsession that a name MUST be easily pronounced in England? Names shouldn’t have to be angslised
lots of people around the world have names that English people don’t know how to pronounce but you learn, England is not the centre of the universe

Exactly!

KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 12:40

lots of people around the world have names that English people don’t know how to pronounce but you learn
IME, they don't. Some do but others either can't or they aren't bothered enough to try.
There was a thread on the name Johanna (German pronunciation) a day or two ago and I think the consensus was that it would get several different pronunciations.

ParentsTrapped · 03/04/2024 12:55

I’m Irish but I don’t see how you get a “sha” at the end of that OP?

Id pronounce that Sayrsa.

I would definitely avoid going for a Gaelic name that you spell and/or pronounce incorrectly - it’s cringeworthy.

KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 13:18

@ParentsTrapped , me neither.
OP has probably named her DD months ago but as I should be doing something else I did an advanced search and found
Baby names that sound like / honour “Sheila” | Mumsnet
Saorise or something else? | Mumsnet
and a few others.

I'm not sure that Or the garlic Saorsa (means freedom) - prounounced Shore-sha or Sir-sha? instills any faith in the suggested pronunciation. Wink

TwirlBar · 03/04/2024 14:04

Shore-sha is actually a name but it's spelt Seoirse. It's the Irish form of George.

They've all gotten mixed up haven't they?

KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 14:32

@TwirlBar , looks like it. The spellings get jumbled up too, Saoirse written as Saorise in the link etc.

TwirlBar · 03/04/2024 14:41

Yes, that's true.

Sorrell8 · 03/04/2024 19:46

I’d only go for it if you wouldn’t get annoyed at people mispronouncing your DC’s name. Our DD’s is MUCH easier than this and even family get it wrong. We also explained it in very simplistic terms in our birth announcement.

HoratioNightboy · 05/04/2024 00:32

KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 13:18

@ParentsTrapped , me neither.
OP has probably named her DD months ago but as I should be doing something else I did an advanced search and found
Baby names that sound like / honour “Sheila” | Mumsnet
Saorise or something else? | Mumsnet
and a few others.

I'm not sure that Or the garlic Saorsa (means freedom) - prounounced Shore-sha or Sir-sha? instills any faith in the suggested pronunciation. Wink

I know it's an old thread, but for those still confused about the pronunciation, here is a link to how it should sound:

https://learngaelic.scot/dictionary/index.jsp?abairt=saorsa&slang=both&wholeword=false

KirstenBlest · 05/04/2024 10:39

Thanks, @HoratioNightboy . It's /sɯːRsə/.

SunnyFog · 05/04/2024 11:10

In most places in the world where English is spoken it likely be misread as "saucer" or "sour-sa". It's not a name. Any Scots Gaelic speaker would know it's not a name. So to use it would seem to reflect a disconnect instead of a connection.

KirstenBlest · 05/04/2024 11:20

@SunnyFog , so the OP started a thread on using a name that isn't really a name giving the incorrect pronunciation of that word?

Like me calling my DC Freedom pronounced Fraytom or something?
Why???

HoratioNightboy · 05/04/2024 15:07

Well, it has become a name in that it has been in use as such in Scotland since 1987, thought not prolifically. It seems to be following a similar path to Irish Saoirse so there may be more in future.

Not sure if all the others are using the correct pronunciation or not, but the OP appears to have been misinformed about how it should sound.

SOOR-sa sounds OK in a Scottish accent, but I agree with a PP that it might sound like Saucer in most English accents.

KirstenBlest · 05/04/2024 15:52

On these sort of thread the majority of posters seem to think it's up to the parents to decide on the pronunciation. Hmm
There will usually be a few misspelt or mispronounced names, the worst one I've seen was 'Emphys - it's Rainbow in Welsh'. The child was probably Enfys (Envis)Smile

BostonMA · 06/04/2024 09:05

KirstenBlest · 03/04/2024 08:55

@BostonMA , it's because if your name is not easily pronounced in English, people will get it wrong. Having your name mangled or misspelt can be an issue.

I agree that they shouldn't be anglicised because it just doesn't work.
Not the same name but how would on anglicise Saoirse? Seersha would probably get said as See-uh-sha or See-sha.
How would you anglicise sounds that don't occur in English?

Edited

@KirstenBlest omg 😂this is an insane attitude!
wow!
I can’t even be bothered to explain why this is such an ignorant comment to make.

KirstenBlest · 06/04/2024 09:13

@BostonMA , I don't understand what you mean. Please explain.

How do you anglicise sounds that don't occur in English?
IPA doesn't cover all sounds.

Names like Shivaun aren't to my taste, for example, but Siobhán is nice.

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