Keane or Kieran?

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Which name do you like more? Why?

Kieran.
If I met a child called "Keane" I'd assume the parents were crazy fans of the band.

Cian is not an alternative spelling, it is a different (and much nicer) name.

That in no way means you don’t have some form of internalised prejudice.

I'm not a huge fan of either. Keane is a surname and Kieran is dated to me (from an Irish POV). (And before anyone argues that Harrison etc is a surname, that's true but Irish people generally don't use surnames as first names. There are a few exceptions, but Keane isn't one of them.) If I had to choose one, I'd pick Kieran.

@LoupsGarous I am Irish and I agree with her. I think Keiran and Keane CAN be associated with rough English people, and I don't mean all and it is a stereotype.

Cian and Ciaran, not so much!

Kieran
Kaiden
Callam
Craig
Carter.
Kelvin
Kyran

Neither

Both horrendous.

Are you insane?

Prejudice against ... myself?!

My own parent and family?

My friends?

The people I grew up around and the place I grew up IN for a significant period of my life? A place I love dearly?

Come on now.

Thank you @giantwaterbottle for seeing what I was saying!

@Mummysharkdoodoodoodoodoodoo
You know the names are Irish and yet you said that, for you, the names seem connected to 'dodgy' people and put you in mind of drunken bar fights and drugs? That sounds like prejudice to me too, whatever your background.
'Prejudice is cultivated by stereotypes' @giantwaterbottle.

I prefer Kieran OP, I see Keane as a surname.

Kieran is the better of the two, Keane is a band or the word Keen spelt incorrectly to my eyes/ears. What about Keanu? Like Reeves.

She said the dodgy people were English though

Neither for preference, they’re both on the slippery close towards Kai and Kayden.

Kieran is slightly more bearable, but Keane is a really rough name. I think of Roy Keane. I imagine a shaved-headed baby, waving large fists, sucking a dummy and wearing a football strip.

Slippery slope, I meant.

I don't associate the name kieran with anyone dodgy at all and god knows I've been in some rough pubs in my time. I do think it's a bit dated though. I've never heard of anyone called Keane and don't think it works as a first name at all

I imagine a shaved-headed baby, waving large fists, sucking a dummy and wearing a football strip

Wow
The only Kieran I know is a vet. So predictable to read that it's looked down on on mn

I have a Ciaran he’s 11, lovely kid it’s just a name. I prefer this spelling than with K., no shaved head etc think that’s horrible to say about a baby/child.

Keane is ok but ciaran:Keiran is nicer

They're not though.

If the poster had asked about Cian or Ciaran I'd have said 'nice names'.

As I said, I AM Irish. I grew up in Ireland for a good percentage of my life! Most of my family are Irish. My parent is Irish. I am not bloody prejudiced against myself and my own family.

The ONLY Kierans and Keanes I know are NOT Irish. They're dodgy English guys.

Stop being a drama llama and making an issue where there isn't one.

Cian is way nicer

@Mummysharkdoodoodoodoodoodoo
The spelling Kieran is very commonly used in Ireland (bit dated maybe) and Keane is a well known Irish surname. Just in case you didn't realise.
Didn't realise objecting to obvious prejudice was 'being a drama llama' but there you go.

Keanu

I CLEARLY SPOKE ABOUT THE USE OF KIERAN AND KEANE IN ENGLAND. I EVEN MENTIONED ENGLAND IN THE INITIAL POST AND SPECIFIED THAT THEY WERE ENGLISH. I AM IRISH! I AM NOT PREJUDICED AGAINST MYSELF AND MY OWN FAMILY!

Do you understand yet or are you going to keep being a drama llama and pretending not to understand for the sake of the drama?

In fact, I’m done here. I’m not going to be told I’m prejudiced against myself just because some bored drama llama wants some drama 😂 I’m not even going to bother looking at this thread again because that’s enough drama for one day.

Only on Mumsnet could not liking a name turn into you being told you’re prejudiced against yourself and your own family and home 😂

Bye!

There are enough British people labelling Irish names (not French or Danish or any their other neighbours) lower class without you leaving on board too. It's not drama to observe that you are compounding prejudices not fighting them.
@Mummysharkdoodoodoodoodoodoo

@J0y , I tend to think of using a name from another culture to your own to be a bit tacky.

Kevin, Kieran, Karen, Julie, Ian and Darren were nice, fresh-sounding names when I was a kid, but now they seem dated and get sneered at

@Mummysharkdoodoodoodoodoodoo
Yes, I know you're talking about how the names are perceived in England.

Look, I understand that you don't see the problem and that's concerning and why I'm still here. If you just said you didn't like the names - fine. If you said you met a Kieran who you didn't like - fine. It's the generalisation and stereotyping that are the issues.

These are names that are clearly from an identifiable ethnicity and you said that they put you in mind of unsavoury types, and were connected to drunkenness and drug-taking. I'm surprised that you can't see why people are upset by that.

It doesn't even matter if the particular people sporting the names were English and not Irish (though how you can be so certain of their ancestry I don't know). The names thenselves are clearly identifiable as Irish.

Go to your Irish parent or Irish cousin and recount what's happened here...

...someone suggested Irish babynames for their baby

...someone else said those names were associated with being dodgy, with drunkenness/cocaine use

...ask them what they think of that.

I think you might be surprised by their answer. What you're saying on here is not benign.