Name to go with Francis/Frances (mn)

[AdriannaP]

I would like to use Frances or Francis (for a boy) as a middle name for our baby. It’s in honour of a relative. Suggestions for first names to go with it? Should be international names, not start with A or M, not be from Royal family (no Edward, James, Charles, Elizabeth etc) or bible.
Surname is English. Any suggestions?

What do you mean by international name?

A name that can be easily said in other countries (we have family in other countries) eg Ethan or Theo is challenging as not everyone can pronounce the English th. Something like Leo or Nico could work, we just have not found a name yet that we love.

Ellis

You'll struggle if you're willing out the Bible too. My DH said no biblical names. Both our DC have them but they're also pretty standard names so you wouldn't think 'bible'.

My dad is John Francis. You don't get much more international and easy to pronounce than that.

Lucas?

@RhubarbFairy yes I know it’s a struggle. My DH js against very obvious bible names like David, Noah, Eva, Gabriel etc but I know there are many others that are not immediately associated with the bible.

Elliot Francis?

Thomas Francis
Lucas Francis
Quentin Francis
Alexander Francis

With Frances, I would consider:

Louisa Frances
Helena Frances
Eleanor Frances
Charlotte Frances (if not too royal)
Emilia Frances
Nina Frances

Shame about no A names - Anastasia and Alexandra would otherwise have been a great fit with your other criteria, ditto Alexander for a boy.

For a boy, I’d consider:

Dominic Francis (if Dominic isn’t too religious)
Lucas Francis
Edmund Francis
Louis Francis
Hugo Francis
Oliver Francis
Sebastian Francis

Leo Francis sounds lovely!

Loretta
Kevin

Mason
Lee
Magnus

Frances is a family name here. It has been middle names for several generations.
Unfortunately at least two of those start with an A!

I really like the rhythm of 3 syllbales before Frances, so

Catherine Frances sounds better to me than Amy Frances.

I love MyCat's suggestions.

Helena Frances rolls really nicely.

Thanks some great suggestions!
I do like Alexander, but we are avoiding A names as already family members with Axxx surname.

From the girls names I really like Emilia, Nina, and Eleonor. I am ok with Oliver (Louis sadly the name
of close relative) but don’t love it. Boys names are hard!!
I do like Leo, DH doesn’t. I also considered Len but DH is dead against it.

@steppemum Helena is close friends DD name and I am worried she might mind

Good suggestion with 3 syllables. If I go with Francesca I could have two syllable names too as that seems to flow nicer
Nina Francesca
Sophia Francesca

William Francis?

Why not just use Frances/Francis as a first name. You can shorten it to Fran, Frannie, Frank, Frankie, Francie etc if you want.

Arran, Gerald, Hugh, Eugene

Isabella Frances
Sienna Frances
Olivia Frances
Cassia Frances

Oscar Francis
Elliot Francis
Zachary Francis

Wow that is a long list of don't's, it's understandable why you are struggling! (biblical avoidance is especially difficult for international boys names- the most well used ones often tend to be Biblical: Samuel, Michael, Matthew, Adam etc).

You could go Roman style - Lucas or Felix (or maybe Rufus, not sure how international that is). Or classic Latinate - Benedict, Dominic or Laurence. Or maybe Greek origins - Theodore, Sebastian or Christopher? (even Nicholas is apparently briefly mentioned in the Bible!). Classic English names like Hugh, Wilfred, Edgar, Edmund etc don't tend to be very international.

Girls - Helena/Elena, Louisa, Lara, Laura, Olivia, Emilia, Sophia, Emma, Julia/Juliet (Julia briefly mentioned in the bible), Claudia (ditto), Isabel/Isabella, Maya, Gaia.

Forgot Cecilia and Viola, both fairly well used in Europe.

I love Frances for a girl, why not use that as a first name and I think it sounds good paired with something quite short and strong.
Eg:
Frances Quinn
Frances Wren

Francis is DH's middle names and his first name is Gary so, Gary?