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Pronunciation of Cearbhall?

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TooTiredToCoo · 21/02/2021 00:21

Can any Irish people out there tell me the proper way to pronounce Cearbhall?

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LizzieAnt · 22/02/2021 10:55

Wardering around the kitchen like an eegit trying this SeanChailleach, but I can't get it to work. Kids think I've gone mad Grin. I'm not a native Irish speaker or a linguist though so that could be it.
The explanation from Fr Dineen is very interesting -though Cearbhall is described elsewhere as being derived from cearbh, meaning to cut or to hack.
I don't think there's much doubt that Car-ool/carúl is a pronunciation of Cearbhall, but I don't think it's the only one? I'm not completely sure though.
Bh is pronounced variously depending on context. A rule often given is w after a broad vowel as a pp mentioned, but that very much depends on dialect, and also on the position of bh/mh within the word, what letter it's next to....I'm afraid I'm not knowledgeable enough to give a detailed description though. The ú or oo sound may be found when bh is at the end of a word in Ulster Irish I know.
Cearbhall has been well used as a name by the Ó Dálaigh's for centuries.The beautiful song Eileanóir a Rún was composed by a 17th century Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh - Niamh Farrell and Linda Nic Leòid sing a lovely version of it.

LizzieAnt · 22/02/2021 11:21

Well, it's attributed to him anyway.

SeanChailleach · 23/02/2021 12:19

Do you not do that in school then? When I did my degree most of the students were raised in Ireland and seemed to have the sounds. There were four of us from England. I have fond memories of sitting in a freezing classroom with the teacher refusing to let us go until we could say: "chuir mé fraoch sa bhiotáille a bhí sa bhuidéal" correctly. (Something about brewing moonshine flavoured with heather.) We used to sit huddled on the beach with the Atlantic winds buffeting us, repeating words over and over trying to sound like cainteoirí dúchais. The seagulls probably thought we were mad.

LizzieAnt · 23/02/2021 12:51

Children are just expected to pick up the Irish language sounds in school for the most part SeanChailleach. Many of the teachers in primary schools aren't fluent speakers though, so they're getting some of the sounds wrong themselves. With the exception of the Gaelscoileanna, English phonics are taught formally in school (Jolly Phonics etc), but not Irish phonics, which is a bit of a pity imo. Then again much of the English spoken in Ireland has been influenced by the Irish language anyway, I suppose.

SeanChailleach · 23/02/2021 14:01

@LizzieAnt nach bombach é sin? Is iomaí na fuaimeanna éagsúla i nGaeilge ná i mBéarla na hÉireann.

LizzieAnt · 23/02/2021 20:38

It is frustrating SeanChailleach. I do find it strange that in most primary schools - not including Gaelscoileanna - the phonics of the English language are taught, but the phonics of the Irish language aren't, at least not formally. If the idea is that the schoolchildren will instead pick up the sounds by imitation, then there needs to be a higher standard of Irish among primary teachers. One recent study of a sample of schools rated teachers' standard of Irish as 'high' in only 22% of cases. (This doesn't include the Gaelscoileanna where the standard's higher.) So sometimes the Irish letter/word sounds just aren't being passed along correctly unfortunately. There's also the issue of standard Irish vs the dialects of course.

My own Irish isn't as fluent as I'd like either though, so I have some sympathy for the teachers Smile

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