Welsh name experts help!!

[RWeatherwax]

Hi all!

Help me settle a debate here. We both really like the name Celyn. However, we are stuck whether it is a girls name or a boys name! To me it’s a boys name and I’m from West Wales. DH is from the North and says it’s a girls name! What’s your opinion?

It's a modern name, noun names being more popular nowadays.
I don't see it as the sort of name a mother tongue Welsh speaker would give their child.

Except that they do, Mike. I’m personally acquainted with two of them. Lots of mother tongue Welsh speakers choose modern Welsh names.

Maybe they do, but nobody I know.
The ones I know seem to go for old names.

If you like it, use it. I suppose if you can call your child Snowdrop why not Holly. I suppose I can't see the name for the trees.

Gwern is a boy's name. It means alder.

Bit awkward that Mike considering Welsh is my first language...

How does Llinos grab you? Considering that means linnet? Or is that not a name either? Deri? Ffion, Hedd or Hedydd? If I took out every Welsh name that was also a noun, my pool of names that I actually like would be even more minuscule than it currently is.

Llinos is fine - I know several, Deri - can't get past Pobol y Cwm and Derriboots, Ffion fine - I know several, Hedd - fine, Hedydd -not sure. Eos is nice, if a little unusual.

River names are generally ok, although usually as a middle name, and depends on the rivername.

So noun names are ok if they are someone that you happen to know? Right ok...

Merch

Celyn is a girls name. Never heard of it on a boy.

I'm in South Wales.

I realise that I'm a bit late to this.
Rwy'n flin!

First language Welsh here also - love traditional Welsh names.

Diolch pawb am dy farn Mae’n ddefnyddiol iawn.

I go by how it sounds and looks RWeatherwax,and the meaning.

If you like it use it. I'd probably think it a bit strange if you named your DC Menai or Clwyd if you had no connection with the area, but otherwise they are nice names.

Wrth gwrs, dylwn ni ddim, on fi ydwi ac mi wnaf

"Diolch pawb am eich barn."

Nos da.

Really?

Mike people like are you are the reason that more people don’t speak Welsh. If that gives you kicks love then carry on. You do this on every baby name thread, particularly those related to Welsh names and, if everyone abided by your ‘rules’ when naming children I’m sure we’d have all wound up with numbers by now.

That's quite an accusation, RWeatherwax.

Use a number if you like. How about Pump for a boy and Tri for a girl.

I went to school with a female Celyn so it’s a girls name to me from SW Wales (Carms).

Yeah you do kind of ruin the vibe of every welsh name thread Mike. I don't think it's intentional actually. It's clearly an area you are very interested in and passionate about but I don't think you realise how condescending you are. You're not always right - you often mistake your opinions for facts.

I comment on things like will a name work outside welsh Wales, and on how names are ruined by being anglicised.

The spats I get into are things like Olwyn isn't a girl's name or Llinos won't work if you aren't in a welsh area. I'm not saying those things for no reason.

I usually say if you like it, use it.

I jumped on this thread because I read "I would pronounce it like Ceh-lin". Had I read that I'd probably think OP meant something like Saylin Kay-lin or Seh-lih, and I might have thought that I quite like that and I'll call my baby it.

If I then posted on here that I was "planning on calling DC Celyn - it's welsh and pronounced Saylin", probably half the replies would gush that it was lovely, and the other half saying I should say it as Kellin.

@MikeUniformMike Rhiannon gave birth to twin colts named Haf and Gef, they grew up into princes, split Wales up and ruled it for a year and a day then turned into a pair of swans, married and one gave birth to a pig so then they all flew off to Lydney or something. ..

@RWeatherwax Gef?

Seh-lin not Seh-lih.

Yeah you made your thoughts on olwyn clear enough on the other thread - really laboured the point to the poster with a deceased grandmother with that name. Thank goodness hey? She can now travel back in time and remonstrate with her great grandparents.

Both here in South East Wales.

Is your real name Nesta Vipers?

Only ever known one Celyn, a boy.

Right back at you. If you want to be treated with kindness then spread a bit of it around yourself. As I said, I don't think you are deliberately being unpleasant but your posting style is.

@MikeUniformMike

I go by how it sounds and looks RWeatherwax,and the meaning.

If you like it use it. I'd probably think it a bit strange if you named your DC Menai or Clwyd if you had no connection with the area, but otherwise they are nice names.

Wrth gwrs, dylwn ni ddim, on fi ydwi ac mi wnaf

"Diolch pawb am eich barn."

Nos da.

If I'm totally honest I'm sick of you on Welsh baby name threads.