Siriol, Sian, etc

[Greendaisydays]

So our personal favourite Briallen ruled out as most likely to end up with people saying Bree-Allen.

Sian a family name understand a bit Tracy/Susan now but at least people could pronounce it and well if Elsie has come back....

Seirian I like, Siriol DH likes and I’m okay with.

Eira I like but our surname is a colour so...

I like Glesni but again with our surname

How would you say Briallen?

Sian is classic, timeless.

Seirian is pretty. Siriol is not as strong.

Eira is lovely and travels well. Can't see a problem with any colour surname.

Glesni i'm not sure how to say it or what it means or why it wouldn't work with any colour.

You might need a Welsh-speaking forum to pick up on the semantics.

Ohhh, I love siriol. Would’ve definitely been on my list for a girl.
Briall might be easier than briallen. Also very lovely.
They are all lovely names op. I think Eira would be fine with a colour if you use a middle name. Assuming your surname isn’t yellow, that is!
We just decided in the end to stop thinking about how they could be said incorrectly & chose names that we loved. I’m so glad we did.
Congratulations

I really like Siwan, a Welsh name and also Seren, which means star. :-)

Don’t know how to spell it out phonetically but I would pronounce Briallen Bri-ach-en

Glesni means blue is pronounced as worn but that would make her Blue Green sort of 😳

Eira is my favourite from your list. Beautiful name and I think Eira Green is ok. Eira Brown maybe not as much - makes me think of Eva Braun. If Eira White or Eira Black - do you live in a Welsh speaking area? If you live in England few people will know that Eira means snow.

If you like Glesni, what about Tesni?

Also, if you like Eira, how about:
Aneira
Elen
Elin
Enfys (although maybe not with a colour surname)
Eleri
Eirlys
Eirys
Eiry

Some other ideas:
Mabli
Mari
Morwenna
Mali
Sali
Alys
Alwenna
Nansi
Nerys
Megan
Nia
Ffion
Gwendolen
Olwen
Angharad

I think Eira ends up a very harsh and not very nice name when mainly used by non Welsh speakers. Basically Ira (if most people yousee would prn Briallen as Bree-Allen!)

Ceri, if you like retro ones?

I like Siriol, but the nn Siri would be an issue perhaps!

Sian is nice, Siani is so cute.

Seirian looks made up and doesn't look like a girl's name
Siriol is little used but nice. It's pronounce SIRR-yol.
Sian is pretty but tarnished by non-Welsh use.

Given that Glesni (GLESS-ney) means greenness you might want to rethink that one.

Eira, again will be tarnished by non-Welsh use.

Ceri if outside Wales will be a PITA. She'll be Serry, Surrey, Cherry, Cherie.

Briallen. If you think it is pronounced Bri-ach-en then just name her Primrose. The LL is tricky if you don't speak Welsh.
The way you say it, you might as well say Bri-shit-en.

I couldn’t really get the phonetic properly trying to write it but I know several Briallens so...

Mikenotmike you seem very rude and dismissive of everyone’s posts as though what you say is the right way and that’s the end of it. Except most of the people I know are welsh and completely disagrees with you.

Briallen is pronounced Bree-ALL-en. ALL pronounced Aɬ.
The symbol is the phonetic form of LL.

Briallen out of context looks like it Bry Allen

would be pronounced

Glesni doesn't mean blue, it means greenness.
You would refer to the glesni (greenness) of the meadow or something.

ach is a short form of cachu (shit), often used to discourage small children from handling dirt.

I think @Greendaisydays was using Bri-ach-en to try and give an approximation of how the letter Ll is pronounced. It's such a tricky letter to explain to someone who doesn't have some understanding of Welsh. Which highlights why it may be wise to avoid names with a Ll if you're not in a strongly Welsh speaking area, and is why I won't name a daughter Esyllt - it would be mispronouced as ESS-ilt. I actually think Ess-ilt as a sound is pretty, but I'm not in the habit of making up names. Alas. Perhaps I should get another cat!

I was taught Welsh as a second language as a (very) small child and am attempting to learn the language as an adult. I can say 'Ll' in isolation and at the start of words (Llangefni etc., mainly as my Uncle used to live in Llangefni). I find it a harder letter to say in words like Llyfrgell as it's repeated. I can say Briallen, but most of my English family would struggle.

Go with Tesni OP, it's gorgeous and has such a beautiful meaning (warmth from the sun).

Or Sali or Mali - great names

Siwan has two pronunciations.
In the North it's SIW-an (SIW to rhyme with Hugh). Like Iwan with an S in front.
In the South, it is SIW-an (SHOO-an). Like Iwan with a SH in front.
Both are correct and both are nice. It is the Welsh form of Joan.

Iwan is a welsh form of John.

Siôn, Siân, Sioned and other names starting with Si don't vary in this way.

Glesni is usually used to describe nature. Glesni'r dyffryn, glesni'r ddol etc. In this context it is greenness.

Seren is a new name and sounds quite harsh in a non-welsh accent.

I gave the pronunciation upthread but i'll just say that the Si in Siriol is not Sh. it is SIRR-yol. (i like in dig not in fir)

It is such a nice name. So much nicer than Seren, but with a similar meaning.

Back to Glesni. You get place names with Glas in them. Ffos Las, Bryn Glas etc.

Not sure if the ditch (ffos) is blue or green - green probably, but the hill (bryn) is green. If you look up glas it'll say blue, but it can also mean green.

Don’t know how to spell it out phonetically but I would pronounce Briallen Bri-ach-en

That's not how you pronounce Briallen.

I can't explain the Welsh LL sound, but it's definitely not ACH.

I've heard Sîan pronounced See-Ann in England idiots.

What about Eleri, Siwan (pronounced Shoo-an), Iola, Bronwen, Angharad.... I could go on.

People aren't idiots for not knowing how to pronounce sounds in other languages.

www.bbc.co.uk/wales/livinginwales/sites/howdoisay/names/index.shtml?b

Briallen pronunciation in the above link, if anyone is interested. A few other names mentioned on this thread are on there as well.

I'd be wary of Eira - it feels like it should be so simple to say, but we have a daughter whose nickname is Eiri and almost nobody can pronounce it unless they speak a second language (not necessarily Welsh!)

We live in Wales and she's generally called I-ry - I've given up on correcting people! The Eira I know of is pronounced Ira.

I'd pronounce Eira as EY-ra - ey as in hey and ra as in rabbit. It's beautiful but will be ay-ruh in a lot of accents. My own midlands accent defaults to that pronunciation.

Ayr-uh is an unpleasant pronunciation, as is Ira, but it is such a pretty name otherwise.

Its popularity is because names like Eva, Ava and Ada are popular. I don't like those names. They're a bit meh.

CaffiSaliMali's link is a good one but the choice of names a bit strange.

I love the name Gwenllian, and Gwen for short.

Gwenllian's short form is Llio, but all the names starting with Gwen will shorten to it.The ll and the diaeresis on the i make Gwenllian too problematic.

It will be Gwenly-un, Gwen-Lee-un Gwenthly-Ann, Gwen Leeanne, Gwenhilian, Gwenlillian, Gwendoline...

Shame as it's a nice name

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