Name spelling rules

[AngSam]

I have a question. Are there any rules on spelling and pronouncing names? How about correcting people on how to spell and pronounce names, would you bother?
Example, girl named Joan (general pronouncing sounds like John) but her is Jo An?
Or Laura not Lora but LAUra
Your thoughts?

So the same pronunciation as if you were saying the person drawing was the drawer?

Well yes, they both sound the same to me

To me too. I'm Irish. And Dora aounds like Dough-ra and nothing like Laura in my accent

And Joan rhymes with cone/phone etc.

We always laugh at law and order being pronounced as Laura Norder as if it's a person

Just a rhyming poem to suit the thread

I own
A scone
It's all my own
I took a picture in my phone
Please don't moan
Or heave and groan
Because the scone
I own
Is my own

Ah but is it:

Scone to rhyme with own, on or spoon (possibly only Scottish folks will get the last one )

Definately own 😂😂😂😂

Elena is only the same as eleanor as people pronounce it wrong

Er no!

So the German Elena is pronounced Elle- e -na
The Southern English accent Eleanor is ponounced Elle -e -na

The Russian etc versions of Elena is pronounced Elle- lay- na

The Scottish version of Eleanor is pronounced Elle -ee- a- nor (have I got that right?)

The point is, the same name can have different pronunciations in different countries. It isn't 'wrong' it is a different accent or language.

None of which applies to Joan and Joanne though!

The Scottish version of Eleanor is pronounced Elle -ee- a- nor (have I got that right?)

No it’s pronounced Elinor, the same as in standard English.

I'd say it more like Elenor (I'm scottish)

Depends where they are from. I live in Spain. Joan is a boys name here pn Jo-Anne. Laura is pn Lau-Ra

Lau - To rhyme with Sow, in case anyone wonders how they pn Lau.

Is that sow as in to sow seed or sow as in a female pig?

sow as in a female pig

apologises to the Scottish mn.

I was going by this in the previous page:

So, (me being Scottish), Elena is Eh lay nah and Eleanor is El en or

and trying to distinguish it from the English pronunciation

No it’s pronounced Elinor, the same as in standard English.

that's the point, in southern English there is no 'or' at the end it is Elener or Elena, we don't say 'or'

so, Elena and Eleanor are said exactly the same. (unless the person uses the Russian etc pronunciation of Elena)

I think it's to do with Rhoticity. Some south accents remove Rs that are there and add them where there aren't any. In Scotland and the North we don't. It's just the way it is, so for example Draw up here would be like saying drop without the P (not exactly, but close enough) whereas Drawer is like drop without the p and finished with err or urr (again, not exact but close enough for an example).

Which is why people get confused when someone writes, "i put it in the draw".

Southern accents don't add in Rs

Many do, and so do lots of Northern accents.

Laura Adams becomes LaurarAdams
Draw a picture becomes drawra picture.

You don't notice you are doing it because it is a normal feature of your accent.

Draw a picture becomes drawra picture

It really doesn't.

Its like claiming that rhotic accents add in an "uh" sound to make the "Ruh" of an R. They don't.

The name Eleanora is simply Eleanor plus an A. It would sound very strange if you didn’t pronounce the R - Elen-oh-ah?

so in my accent, Eleanora has the 'r'
but it also has an 'or' sound
So it actually sounds different to Eleanor
We say Elle n er
and then elle n OR a

stress is in a different place too.

Southern accents don't 'add' an r, they use a long A sound. It is easier to think of it as an 'Ah' than an 'ar'
it avoids confusion

so rather than saying - I say barth for bath, it is better (I think) to say that I say bahth for bath.

we don't pronounce the r, but it changes the sound
so car is pronounced as a long a sound because of the r.

southern accents tend to condense words, whereas scottish (and others I'm sure) tend to use more syllables, hence the draw/drawer thing. Both are one syllable in southern English

I find it fascinating
and havign just re-read the posts about, yes you are right, we add an r in drawing!

I taught phonics in an American International school once, and there was a whole section on wh sounds versus w sounds. eg wheel, when. Whale v. wail etc

I remember going into the staffroom and asking about it, one (southern) American lady was adamant that they sounded different. 2 other Americans, one scottish and one English woman (me) couldn't hear the difference.
Obviously the place the phonics curriculum came from there was a clear difference in their accent!

Mind you, try teaching the phonic sound 'o' for orange to kids with a strong accent where it sounds like 'aahhrange'