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Diagreement over possible middle name

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wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 15:48

[Sorry for long post]

My partner and I are both black (Afro-Caribbean), and we'd discussed maybe wanting our son to have an African name as a way of valuing our roots. In a middle name, my partner values tradition and naming after a family member, whereas I value coming up with a new name that's unique to the child (my mum did this with me, giving me 'Summer' as a middle name as I was born in August). We'd decided on our child having a few middle names anyway, so it seemed ok to me that we both have different approaches to middle names.

I proposed the name 'Simba' as a possible middle name as it's an African name and means 'Lion'. I like it because, to me, 'lion' symbolises strength, and it's also my partner's favourite animal. I also just like the sound of it. The fact that it's the name of a character from The Lion King means nothing to me, as I've known actual people to have Simba as a first name. To me, it's an actual name before it's a character in The Lion King. My partner, on the other hand, couldn't take it seriously and reacted quite badly to the name. He worries that our son might get bullied at school for having Simba as a middle name, as everyone (especially kids) attributes the name to The Lion King. I couldn't agree. Firstly, are children likely to share their middle name(s) with one another? I don't think anyone in primary school knew what my middle name was. Even in secondary school, only close friends would've known my middle name - because I'd chosen to tell them. I thought middle names were told on a need to know basis, and I wouldn't have thought kids to be interested in middle names. Secondly, it's not as if Simba is an evil or even dislikeable character in The Lion King, so I find it hard to imagine any 'bullying'. Thirdly, I think he's underestimating that our son should, hopefully, have a little resilience - you know? My younger brother is called Milo and everybody thought my mum had named him after Milo from the Tweenies. Yes, he got a few remarks from kids at school (this was about his first name, mind you, which people are forced to hear - not a middle name which barely anyone hears/knows), and he shrugged them off and lived. My partner reckons that if there's any degree of risk present (risk of bullying), then why should we risk it? I think he's totally overestimating the 'risk'. He also says he just doesn't like the sound of the name Simba.

My partner has suggested some family member names as middle names which I may not have thought 'flowed' with our son's first name, or necessarily 'liked', but the fact that the name means a lot to my partner meant that I was fine to accept the name as my partner's contribution, and not dispute it - I valued my partner's satisfaction with his contribution. I was quite upset that my partner couldn't see my contribution in this same way, claiming that it's "not the same" as his names are after members of his family (so are therefore more important?). I reminded him that we both hold equal value for our own approaches to middle names, so his statement is unfair - the way he values tradition, I value uniqueness.

What are your thoughts on the matter? Am I being unreasonable? Is he?

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TeenTimesTwo · 29/03/2018 15:53

I'm with your partner re Simba if it isn't a 'real' name.
I'm with your partner re family name for a middle name.
I'm with you though that the name should 'fit' and you should both like it.

Sorry, not much help.

strawberrypenguin · 29/03/2018 15:53

Both of you need to agree on names. If he doesn't like it find another name you both like

RavenWings · 29/03/2018 15:57

Your partner is right, Simba will scream Lion King to most people. That's irrelevant anyway as you need to agree on a name, and you haven't.

I teach in primary and a lot of the kids know their classmates middle names.

scurryfunge · 29/03/2018 15:59

I like it as a good strong short name but it is pointless if you both cant agree. You both need to start discussing mutually agreeable names.

wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 16:07

Maybe I was a little too willing to accept suggestions that he'd make (seeing as they meant something to him), and so naturally expected the same from him. I'd 100% prefer it if we both agreed on/liked all suggested names, but I assumed I had to settle for his suggestions as 'his contribution'.

@TeenTimesTwo I find it a little hard to find a balance between liking your partner's suggested name(s) and the name they're suggesting being a family name... because, seeing as it's a member of their family (not yours), it's going to mean something to them and not you - if that makes sense? Also, as we're Caribbean, most family members names aren't African (they're European, thanks to slavery), so I think they sound strange next to African names. This is another reason why I wasn't expecting myself to necessarily 'like' or 'agree with' the suggested family name(s).

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TeenTimesTwo · 29/03/2018 16:17

You need a family name that appears in both families.
Or 2 middle names one from each.
Or a second child who gets a family name from the other side.
Or a European name reflecting that those are family names too.

wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 16:27

@TeenTimesTwo I was never going to suggest a family name (that's my partner's thing - not mine), as it's not what I value in a middle name. Also, even if I did value the traditional approach, I don't like the names of any of my family members enough. Their names tend to be more traditional, English and conservative, and my partner and I are from a generation of people who are trying to 'tap back into our roots'. I guess it'd be hard to understand unless you're Caribbean (which I guess I can't assume you're not?).

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chezmk1988 · 29/03/2018 16:39

I don't think kids at school will even know your child's middle name. None of the kids at my two sons school know their names. The only friends that do are his friends outside of school, so I wouldn't worry about that. I don't think simba is the worst name in the world and I can see someone of afro Caribbean heritage being called simba so I don't see the problem (I don't mean that in a bad way by the way but the name makes sense with your heritage but wouldn't so much if it was two British people with no African heritage calling their child simba if that makes sense). I think it's important that you both like the whole name though.

BertrandRussell · 29/03/2018 16:49

I disagree-I think most children do know each other's middle names-they play lots of games at Primary age that involve writing names backwards and making anagrams and counting letters and so on. Sinbad certainly shouts Lion King to me. But if it is actually used as a name in your culture that does change things a bit.

Incidentally, as someone with some very unusual names in her family, I can say that nobody has ever been bullied because of them. The issues have been a) having attention drawn to them when they don't necessarily want it and b) the tedium of having to explain again why they are called whatever it is. Even just people saying "Oh, that's original/interesting/pretty gets very boring very quickly.

scurryfunge · 29/03/2018 16:50

Not sure Sinbad was ever on the cards Bertrand Grin

Aprilmightmemynewname · 29/03/2018 16:53

My ds would love to have Simba as his mn!!

BertrandRussell · 29/03/2018 16:53

Why not? Fab name, Sinbad. I am now on my third tabby cat called Sinbad! Grin
Simba, obviously.
Although I am now worried that some hormone flodded pregnant woman has added Sinbad to her shortlist.......

Kpnutz · 29/03/2018 17:05

I like it, why are other film characters names acceptable but not Simba!? It was obviously a name before Disney used it. So why can't it still be. I hope you can convince your partner to change his mind! :-) x

wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 17:07

@BertrandRussell I'm not even denying that the name would scream The Lion King in some people's minds, but must that be a bad thing, resulting in bullying? That's the claim that I was contesting.

Well, times must have changed because we certainly weren't discussing middle names when I was of primary age. Yes, we played name games but they tended to involve first and surnames - not middle names. And, even so, middle names don't have to be disclosed. If a child doesn't like his/her middle name that much, he/she can simply choose not to disclose it to anybody - no? It's not like surnames, which might be called out in the school register. Even official organisations/documents don't refer to my middle name - pretty much only my bank does!

From my experience/understanding, middle names operate differently to other names because they're not on show like first, or even last, names. Person can choose who they wanna tell it/them to, in most cases.

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wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 17:10

@Aprilmightmemynewname @Kpnutz thank you - nice to know some people like the name :)

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BertrandRussell · 29/03/2018 17:13

"It was obviously a name before Disney used it."

Was it?

MrsCaecilius · 29/03/2018 17:19

What about Shumba, also means lion, in Shona, but without the Lion King connection?

wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 17:23

@MrsCaecilius I think that's quite nice (sounds like a mixture between Simba and Pumba - both in The Lion King Grin), but I think my partner would fit it even more strange-sounding than Simba. Not to mention the fact that he has an ex called Shona - haha!

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tootsweet30 · 29/03/2018 17:23

In general kids don't know each others middle names, but if someone had a 'funny' one it'd stick in kids minds if they ever found it out. You don't want to give your kid a name they won't want to say in fear of being laughed at.

On the other hand if kids want to be mean they will find anything and zero in on it.

wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 17:24

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DaphneFanshaw · 29/03/2018 17:28

I know a lovely little Simba, so I am biased, but agree with pp, I think naming a child should be a mutual decision. I think that should work both ways though. He doesn't just get to choose middle names that you don't like either.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 29/03/2018 17:31

The importance of middle names is vastly overrated

Notonthestairs · 29/03/2018 17:33

You have to find a name you both like - and it doesn't have to unique or a family name.

wombanonfire · 29/03/2018 17:36

@BreakfastAtSquiffanys I agree, which is why I was ok to just settle for my partner's suggestions, and why I was surprised by his strong disapproval of Simba!

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TammyWhyNot · 29/03/2018 18:04

Yes, lots of kids know each other’s middle names (especially girls, boys less interested IME)
No, I don’t think Simba would lead to bullying, just irritating comments, more so as a grown up.
I wouldn’t give my child a name I didn’t like or feel comfortable with.

So maybe you need to start again. Agree some principles: no names the other one doesn’t like.

There must be names other than Simba that fill your requirements, and your DH likewise.

And in the end, people (like me!) manage very well without a middle name.

BertrandR: yes, it is a long held name across several southern African countries.

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