Grace or Emma?

[Zallie]

It may have become a name in its own right, but "it is derived from the Germanic word ermen meaning whole or universal, and was originally a short form of Germanic names that began with ermen. Emma is also used as a diminutive of Emmeline, Amelia or any other name beginning with "em"."

I still don't like it. It's just a meh name, forgettable.

I personally don't think Grace travels well. I don't know if this is something you're particularly concerned about...?

I think Emma has been a name in it's own right for a very long time. (I mean, Emma of Austrasia, right?)

That's name purism taken to extremes , lots of 'proper' names have such sources and origins, of course. In the UK, as I've already said, Emma has been used since C11, before Emmeline et al.

Emma is from German Irmin or Ermin. Emmeline was formed from Amal with the suffix ine. Not connected to Emma origins. Obviouslt Emm and Emma can be short for Emmeline, but that is not where its origins lie.

obviously, not obviouslt

I think Emma has been a name in it's own right for a very long time. (I mean, Emma of Austrasia, right?)

Yup. In the UK alone over a thousand years!

Emma has been a name in its own right since the Middle Ages - daisypond why do you feel the need to be so mean spirited about other people's choices?

Grace ( Gracie) is one of my favourite names. Every Grace, I've known has been lovely.

Emma, every time.. beautiful name.

I definitely think of Emma as a name on its own. There are famous Emmas dating back centuries in the U.K. as pps have said. Emmeline and Amelia are much more fashionable / 'of the moment'. Amelia especially will date; in the future I wonder if people will guess that any Amelia they meet was born around 2005-2015, simply because so many of them will have been.

Emma and Grace are both a lot more timeless imo. As for "blah and forgettable" , better than some of the pretentious / 'try hard' names I hear sometimes. I'd rather my DD was unforgettable for something other than her name tbh.

Both lovely but I prefer Emma

Emma