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Welsh name for daughter - looking for opinions from Welsh speakers?

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MadsZero · 27/09/2016 16:21

Hi all,

I'm a welsh-speaker and I'm really lucky that my husband has agreed we can give our daughter a welsh name. But because he doesn't speak welsh, I didn't consider that what he thinks sounds nice and what I think sounds nice are very different! We have finally agreed on a name that we both really like - Aeron. But there's something that's worrying me a little.

It's a unisex name that's also pretty unusual. I live where there aren't so many welsh-speakers (Newport) and the only close friends I have who speak welsh haven't heard the name used at all. I have, once or twice, but only for boys. To be honest, giving my daughter a name that's more common on boys doesn't bother me in the slightest - there are quite a few unisex welsh names that skew one direction or the other. What does worry me is that people will think I made a mistake, rather than a conscious decision. Like that I picked a name from an inaccurate internet list without knowing what it meant, rather than thinking about it pretty carefully.

Aeron is the name of a river (which is a common source of given names in welsh), which apparently got its name from a long-forgotten battle god who had male and female aspects. It's also, coincidentally, the welsh word for "berries" which is a feminine noun, and names from the natural world are a very common source for girls names in welsh. It's listed as a unisex name in the baby name book I got from a welsh language press compiled by a respected welsh academic. So like...I think on logic it makes sense as a girl's name. Plus I like it a lot and haven't found another name I'm happy with.

But I wanted to know, from other welsh speakers, if you met a girl named Aeron, would you shrug and go, "Oh, okay, fair enough..." (like Teifi or Eirian) or would it be as weird as a little girl named Aled or Dylan or Iestyn?

Am very happy to continue the conversation in welsh or english! Hapus i barhau'r sgwrs yng nhymraeg neu'n saesneg!

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BenguinsMummy · 28/09/2016 13:09

*literal

Damn autocorrect...

MadsZero · 28/09/2016 13:20

Diolch yn fawr iawn i ti! Gwych i weld gymaint o Gymry Cymraeg 'ma - d'on ni ddim 'di disgwyl gweld hanner gymaint!

I do think you're right about people mispronouncing her name, but part of me feels that'll happen regardless. I know a few people whose parents really tried to give them names that were easily pronounced without knowing welsh and they still ended up correcting people all the time. Which makes sense, I mean, these are unfamiliar sounds, but also, I dunno. I think if I planned an "easier" name to pronounce, it might not actually work out that way anyway...? Like I have to just make my peace with passing that on to her or not.

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HamSandwichKiller · 28/09/2016 13:37

Welsh speaker who can't be bothered to deal with autocorrect. Aeron is a boy's name in any given Welsh speaking area so it makes you look silly. In Neport Welsh speakers are so thin on the ground you'll end up looking silly because you misspelled Aaron. Don't do it to your kid, it's pointless hassle. I say this as someone who wanted to call DS Dyfi but rejected it for the hassle it would cause him.

Alisvolatpropiis · 28/09/2016 14:39

I know an Aeron, male.

Is the only one I have ever known though.

MadsZero · 28/09/2016 16:54

*H

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MadsZero · 28/09/2016 16:56

(apologies - cat stepped on the enter button!)

Ham - thanks, I appreciate your opinion on how gendered the name is. In general though, I'm pretty confident that I know the pros and cons of giving her a welsh name - I know what it's like here. ;)

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callycat1 · 28/09/2016 17:01

Sounds like you have made up your mind

CottonSock · 28/09/2016 17:06

Not heard the name before but a family member teaches in Newport and would say unusual names are the norm

TheSunnySide · 28/09/2016 17:12

Tricky. I love the name Aneurin but know that people would pronounce it incorrectly as Ah-nigh-ron so however much I told people it was Ah-Neigh-rin any child would be stuck with people pronouncing it one way in school and me pronouncing it the other way at home.

On the other hand I know lots of children called Ah-nigh-rin and I respect them enough to say it the way they want it said so i would expect people to at least attempt Aeron (AY-ron) instead of Arron.

Lolimax · 28/09/2016 17:25

Ha sunny as someone from the birthplace of the NHS (and therefore Bevan) and it's our health board I like to think we all say the name properly round here lol!

Famalam13 · 28/09/2016 17:48

A former Welsh speaker here (who also lives in Newport) and I would assume a boy but if you don't mind people making that assumption then go for it. People often think my female Welsh name is male, doesn't bother me in the slightest :)

Famalam13 · 28/09/2016 17:49

Oh and if you want any recommendations for local baby groups feel free to inbox me :)

BertrandRussell · 28/09/2016 17:54

Is she going to spend her whole life in Wales?

PattyPenguin · 28/09/2016 18:37

S'mae, MadsZero!

Just rooted out my copy of the book of Welsh children's names by Heini Gruffudd, which gives Aeron as either male or female. It points out that it derives from the name of the goddess of battle, a derivation confirmed by the entry for Aberaeron in the 'Dictionary of the Place-names of Wales' (Owen & Morgan).

There was a fashion for the name 'Aerona' at one time, particulary in Cardiganshire, now Ceredigion, but I suspect that was a nod towards Latinization / Anglicization more than anything.

So I can't see any reason not to use it for a girl. In fact, I think a girl named after the goddess of battle should turn out pretty ace.

MadsZero · 28/09/2016 20:38

cally - I've made up my mind as far as not giving her a welsh name because of pronunciation problems, yeah. Still wavering on the name itself a little. I really do like it and most people here who're familiar with the name seem to feel it'd be a bit weird but not massively weird, but...it's a big decision.

Famalam - thank you, that's a really kind offer, I'll message you.

PattyPenguin - diolch yn fawr - I appreciate the reassurance and thanks for going to the trouble of looking up the information.

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TheSunnySide · 28/09/2016 22:03

Lolimax, if you are saying Ah-neigh-rin then you are correct.

The way Welsh pronunciation works it is 'neigh' not 'nigh' even if Bevan's parents got it wrong.

weediculous · 28/09/2016 22:27

I've only known it as a boy's name, but spelt Euron. I don't think it's as weird as hearing of a girl called Rhys, A led or Gethin for some reason. Maybe because it's less common? (Cymraeg auth gynta btw)

weediculous · 28/09/2016 22:28

'iaith' gynta grrr

cowssheephens · 28/09/2016 22:42

Cymraes yma, dwi yn hoff iawn or enw.

Credu fydd y pobl cymraeg yn gwybod yn syth taw enw merch/bachgen iw hi/e. Y rhyn peth a'r enw Eirian ayb.

Ilovecharliecat · 29/09/2016 00:19

Mads I think that Patty has given you the best reply, however I'm just going to throw in Celyn, I love the name and if I had a DD that would be THE name,. I have a unisex name and so did my ex-h, if you and DH are happy then go for YOUR choice

MadsZero · 29/09/2016 15:25

weediculous & cows - diolch yn fawr. Teimlo 'chydig bach yn fwy hyderus am fy newis nawr! ;)

charlie - I agree, Celyn's a nice name, but my husband doesn't like it as much as me and it's also the name of a coworker's child (which wouldn't put me of as such, but does make it slightly more awkward).

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leoniethelioness · 29/09/2016 17:05

Not a Welsh speaker but I live in Wales. I'd assume male but wouldn't raise my eyebrows at female.

What are your thoughts on Alaw? I've only met one but thought it was so pretty but not sure how it's perceived in the Welsh speaking community. (Sorry to hijack your thread with a question but thought you'd be well placed to comment!)

MadsZero · 29/09/2016 20:21

Alaw's a lovely name. I think it's more common as a girl's middle name than a first name, but that could just be my experience meeting people. It wouldn't be at all odd as a first name, though. It was one of my choices actually, but my husband said it sounded too much like "allow"... ;)

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weediculous · 29/09/2016 20:48

I like Alaw and know quite a few (grown ups) with it as a first name.

mads if you're not sure about Aeron (can't remember spelling sorry! ) how about Eiri? Loved it but DH couldn't pronounce it (roedd o'n deud eye-ree)

JemimaMuddledUp · 29/09/2016 21:01

I fi, enw bachgen yw Aeron. Mae'n weddol poblogaidd yma yng Ngheredigion.

Ond ar ol dweud hynny, dwi di cwrdd a bachgen o'r enw Tirion a merch o'r enw Celyn - i fi enw merch yw Tirion ac enw bachgen yw Celyn. Felly yn bendant mae rhai enwau yn gallu fod yn addas i'r ddau!