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Bram: Gaelic speakers please advise - what does it REALLY mean?

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PallasCat · 23/10/2015 14:48

I like Bram, so does DH. It's not top of our list for a boy, but lead contender for middle name, or was until a few minutes ago...

Here's the thing: several baby name websites (MN included) give raven as a meaning for Bram, usually attributing it to Gaelic (Lovely! We like ravens). I wanted to test this with a Gaelic dictionary, and have tried a few online (Scots and Irish). None have given me raven. Some gave me nothing. Two have given me fart.

Does Bram mean fart in Gaelic?

If so, I think it's off our list.

We're definitely talking Bram: Abraham is not on our list. Bram is an established and popular Dutch name, and I have (now somewhat distant) Dutch heritage, if that matters to anyone. We both, but especially DH, are Bram Stoker fans. But I don't think I want to call my child fart.

On the other hand, can anyone give me a credible source that it actually does mean raven? I'm reluctant to trust name websites alone.

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MitzyLeFrouf · 28/10/2015 12:59

Bran is the equivalent of Spot/Fido/Rover, etc. in children's textbooks in Irish.

Yes I can't get past the dog connection. I'm picturing the Ann and Barry readers right now!

MitzyLeFrouf · 28/10/2015 12:59

I do like Bram though.

villainousbroodmare · 28/10/2015 13:08

I suppose it's because it was the name of one of Fionn MacCumhaill's legendary wolfhounds (the other being Sceolán) that it has that connection in people's minds, then was used for the dog in those lift-the-flap books.
(I'm an Irish vet and have never met a dog called Bran. Nor indeed a Fido or Rover. The days of roving dogs are over. Smile)
I still love it.

MitzyLeFrouf · 28/10/2015 13:27

What's the average Irish dog called these days?

hebihebi · 28/10/2015 14:54

I don't know but the average MN dog is called Dave apparently.

villainousbroodmare · 28/10/2015 14:55

The average Irish dog is Daisy or Harry, like a MN child. Grin

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