J Names. really? do most naughty boys name start with J?

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Just saw this mentioned on thread - names you irrationally dislike.

Is this something lots of you have experienced?

How about the names below:

Joshua
Jaden
Jacob
Jackson
John
Jason
Julian

If so when did this start to happen? I'm sure John isnt associated with bad boys.

Have never heard of this until now

these ''surveys'' are so ridiculous

they are suggesting using a certain arbitrary name results in any random child developing unwanted behaviour

this is like 'science' of the 18th century

it's not amusing, it is at best pointless and at worst could have negative effects on kids with those names as idiotic teachers buy in to it

The people making the judgements are wrong.

Saying 'a lot of people judge names' doesn't. make it right.

Jayden is naughty? I'll go tell him off right now, he's bound to be up to no good while I'm on here.

I don't judge a name. Unless the name is Katie Hopkins. Although I pity the Katie Hopkins I went to school with, she must hate that woman for sullying the name.

I think we all (whether we admit it or not) build up petceptions of people based on their name. Yes it's wrong but we all do it.
I also think as well young teenage parents tend to give their children fancy names such as Hayden but older parents tend to go for more tradional names.

Just look at the Duggars for inspiration
You could have Jinger, Jordan, Joy-Anna, John-David and 15 more J names.

In my experience of teaching, you can get boys of all names who behave well or badly. However, there were a few names that cropped up again and again in the behaviour logs. Henry, Jack, Kyle and Aaron are the four I remember most clearly. I taught many well behaved boys of those names also, so would never assume anything based on a name.

Jordan/Jorden/Jordon

Boys and girls.

Isn't it more about judging the parents more so than the child? An assumption based on their name choices? For example its totally ok on here to say people who name an Araminta or Ptolemy are poncerastic posh folk. But you have to pretend that there's nothing at all strange about naming your child Beyonce or the like. We all do it - it doesn't mean that we are prejudiced against that child or treat them unfairly.

If you think a teacher doesn't run through a class list looking at the names then you are very much mistaken.

Of course it's bloody prejudice.If you can't see why looking down on someone because of their name is wrong then you are either thick or deliberately missing the point.

Araminta is not going to be judged as naughty or have her CV chucked on the reject pile is she?

If you knew a horrible kid at school named " elzibub" then met another horror with the same name, then surely you would have negative connotations.

You wouldn't then name your Child with that name.

Teachers see the trends in names more than most.

I used to love the name Jordan......just saying!

This sort of judgemental shit is simply the face of class prejudice.

Hayden is a proper name, ffs.

I wasn't trying to say it does usual. It was more a statement of fact than a defense.

I judge names on here, because that is what the board is for. I judge names (not the owners of the names) in real life insofar as I'll think to myself "I do/n't like that name because xyz".

I do find it interesting how many Irish names are considered "chavvy/naughty names" on here though. The comment above about Connor and Callum illustrates it. Last bastion of the long held anti-Irish sentiment in England?

Welsh names don't fair much better on here mind. Either too "other" or "chavvy/made up". Hayden is a Welsh name, for example.

You can say you dislike a name without using it as excuse to show your prejudices though.

I agree, my comment about my uncle with a J name was a joke.

Because I think it's silly that people genuinely think calling a child a particular names destines them to be naughty.

...I do find it interesting how many Irish names are considered "chavvy/naughty names" on here though. The comment above about Connor and Callum illustrates it. Last bastion of the long held anti-Irish sentiment in England?..

I'm Irish and I think its more that 'newer' names are often perceived as chavy. It amuses me as in Ireland 'Connor' is completely neutral, even quite middle class.

I don't know but I love Jimmy and think it should be brought back.

I think it's all to do with perception of class. England is such a weirdly class ridden society and I think most people will 'read' a class / parental educational background in a name. So you are more likely to be working class and/or have a low educational attainment if you call your child Kylie than if you call them Perdita. And because as a society still equate behaviour and class, this filters into how we expect kids to behave. It's sad, but it's not necessarily 100% inaccurate.

exactly what lazymummy said.

sorry but if two CVs landed on my desk and one was for Khalessi and one was for Catherine I know which one I would take more seriously.

stereotypes exist for a reason, because there is a notable proportion of people that fit the criteria of the stereotype.

to add: if you think class does not exist in the uk you are deluded I'm afraid. we might not want it to, it might not be right but that doesn't change the fact that it is there.

It's wrong to judge a person by their name just the same as it's wrong to judge a person by their appearance but we all do it everyday, even if we make a specific effort not to, that's only necessary because we do. And the reason for that is that we've learned that in the majority of cases that judgement will be right. Of course there are exceptions but our learned behaviour is that in most cases (most being 51% or more) a name and a person's appearance does reflect their character (or more accurately their upbringing)

I have a Jayden
He is polite
Quiet
Well behaved
Thoughtful
Amazing child and I'm not just saying that because he's mine you only have to ask his teachers and anyone else around him.
A name doesn't define a child

While stereotypes do exist for a reason, that reason is not their accuracy! Stereotypes exist so that people can marginalise particular groups and feel like they're in the right in doing so.

Stereotypes are generally wildly inaccurate about a population as a whole. The problem is that people get confirmation bias whenever they meet anyone who fits their stereotype (and they don't pay any attention to the people who don't fit it, or view them as anomalies).

The apologism for prejudice and social exclusion on the baby names board is always astounding.

There is still a distinct prejudice against Irish male names in the UK - and it's not 'new' names, it's names that are in Ireland very ordinary and classic, like Connor, Liam etc - while Irish female names are often seen as Celtic and charming. Callum is Scottish, not Irish - the Irish version is 'Colm'. But don't let that get in anyone's way.

OP, the perception as regards 'naughty boy' names is down to a depressing reactionary obsession with naming and social class, whereby Jayden, Kayden, and Kai are troublesome 'chavs', Araminta and Ptolemy are tiresomely posh in an upper-middle-class kind of way, and Edward, Sophie and Poppy are all-round good eggs.

Tbh, there seems to be general prejudice against scottish and Welsh names to some degree too. It's not on the scale of the anti-Irish naming prejudice though. And I agree, it's perfectly normal Irish names that are singled out for 'naughty boys' far, far too often.

None of it has anything to do with 'truth'. And teachers are just as susceptible to prejudice and stereotyping as the rest of the population so them saying it doesn't prove anything.