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Welsh/Irish crossover?

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WineAndPizza · 20/08/2012 16:26

My family is Irish, and I have a very Irish name which I love. However, when it comes to girls names particularly I absolutely adore Welsh names. I feel it would be a bit weird to have a Welsh girls name when we have no Welsh connections at all - are there any names that cross over in both Irish and Welsh that would work?

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Sastra · 20/08/2012 17:37

What kind of Welsh girls names do you like?

I always thought Erin was welsh for from Ireland, but google tells me that I made it up...

I don't think Welsh and Gaelic are very closely related, so that might be the difficulty!

Cwtchbach · 20/08/2012 20:55

Nia is the Welsh version of Niamh. Someone translated the story of Tir na nOg into Welsh and Niamh and Oisin become Nia and Osian, both very popular names in Wales.

Cwtchbach · 20/08/2012 21:04

Oh and also we have the Mabinogion which is a collection of stories similar and in one of the branches of the Mabinogion Branwen marries the king of Ireland. So Branwen kind of crosses the two.

Esyllt is the Welsh version of Iseult, is that story Irish? My Welsh baby name book also says that Erin means Ireland (although Ireland in Welsh is Iwerddon so could be made up).

mathanxiety · 20/08/2012 23:52

Welsh and Irish are (so goes a theory anyway) P Celtic and Q Celtic languages respectively -- related but with some differences.

I knew a Bronwen and an Olwen growing up in Ireland, as well as two Gwens. The W sound is really not found in Irish names in the nominative case.

Would you consider Beibhinn, pronounced Bevan/Bevin? -- Aneurin Bevan was a famous Welsh Labour politician..

Erin is a poetic/ancient-ish name for Ireland, along the lines of Alban and Brittania and Helvetia. It is also (spelled differently) the genitive/possessive case of Eire, one of the official names for the Republic of Ireland iirc (Poblacht na hEireann).

How about Eira -- meaning 'snow'?

Shoon · 20/08/2012 23:55

Irish /Scottish crossover would be easier.

What about Brona short for Bronwen?

I thought sneachta meant snow!

mathanxiety · 21/08/2012 02:41

Eira is snow in Welsh -- kinds looks a bit like Eire..

WineAndPizza · 22/08/2012 12:42

Thanks all, I know it is a tricky one!! Just trying to reconcile love of Welsh names with Irish heritage...I love Eleri, Nia, Eira is beautiful (is that air-a or eye-ra or something else?!) Rhiannon, Bethan, Cerys...

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WineAndPizza · 22/08/2012 12:44

Also love Eilidh which is Scottish - right?

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mathanxiety · 22/08/2012 14:10

Yes Eilidh is Scottish (one of my fav names)

Eira is AE-ruh (rhymes with hay-ruh, but with a more rolled R). There is also Eirlys (AER-lis)

mathanxiety · 22/08/2012 14:10

...meaning snowdrop.

madaboutmadmen · 22/08/2012 21:52

Sastra is right Erin is Welsh for Ireland, as is Iwerddon, which isn't a person's name. Think Erin might be the old Welsh name for Ireland.

Branwen is from Welsh muthlogy and she married the King of Ireland.

Takver · 22/08/2012 22:11

I know an Efa who has Irish parents but lives in Wales. She pronounces it with almost an 'f' sound (not distinctly a 'v' as you would expect) , and sounding at least to my ears very much as you would say Aoife. So I guess that's kind of a crossover name, I think it is also rather pretty.

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