What do you think of Llywelyn?

[AnnieDelores]

DP has just suggested this. At first I didn't like it but it's really growing on me. Shortened to Lewi?

Wow, I'd never even thought about Bevan or Pritchard but of course they ruddy well are derived from 'ap'! So Nye Bevan presumably had a great-great-great etc. grandad Ifan at some point.

Must remember that for the next 'what have you learned from MN' thread!

glad to have obliged

There are more...

Price = ap Rhys
Penri = ap Henry
Bowen = ap Owen
Powell = ap Hywel

There used to be a law in Wales stating that a person's name had to show their ancestry. So you might have an Aneurin ap Iestyn ap Llewelyn ap Dafydd!

If you think about it a lot of the common Welsh surnames which don't stem from the "ap" usage stem from male first names, eg Jones, James, Williams, Davies, Morgan etc.

Don't know how to spell it but I heAr on the BBC bat a Robert cefflan jones and always like cefflan

domestic - the other names you mention (jones etc) are the anglicised version of ap:

Jones = John's son
Williams - williams's son
Davies= David's son

It was also quite common in England (hence popular english names too) though teh English also much more commonly than the Welsh named people by what they did, Smith etc

I know Kewcumber, that is what I was saying.

Ann: his name is Rory Cellan Jones. Cellan is a place name, it is a village near Lampeter.