Erin Patterson - We the members of the MN jury find the defendant Guilty or Not Guilty?

[Dustyblue]

Well here we are, after 2 years of head-scratching speculation and many weeks of trial detail-thrashing. It looks like the Judge will give his directions to the jury on Tuesday, after which they'll be sequestered in a local motel (I do not envy them this) to reach a verdict.

Clearly we're not privy to every last piece of evidence shown at the trial, but those of us who've been following closely will surely have formed an opinion one war or the other.

So, I ask you- if you were on the jury- what would your verdict be?

A good list. I think your point about the second phone is even more damning than what you suggest. There were two phones. Phone A was her regular phone used for some time which was the one she ‘lost’, then phone B was used less regularly or possibly rarely, I believe she wiped certain data when police left her unattended during her interview process. Once phone B was taken into evidence by the police, and after she was released before being charged, she wiped this one remotely by doing a full factory reset.

I have often wondered, given that extra jurors hear the case but then are surplus for deliberations, why cases such as this don’t just get twice as many jurors to hear the case, have a random selection of first jurors deliberate, and if it becomes a hung jury then they go to the second group for their decision. This would save a case needing to be heard again when there is inevitable bias as the first case was held publicly.

Can they have a majority verdict in Australia like we do in the UK?

I was astonished that she didn’t make more effort to track down the Asian grocer if she truly bought dried mushrooms there. Neither did she respond to the public health doctor in good time. Why was she not frantic to cooperate if it could help the lunch guests and potentially other people who might buy contaminated mushrooms?

Apparently in Victoria, majority verdicts for murder cases are not permitted.

A good list. I think your point about the second phone is even more damning than what you suggest. There were two phones. Phone A was her regular phone used for some time which was the one she ‘lost’, then phone B was used less regularly or possibly rarely, I believe she wiped certain data when police left her unattended during her interview process. Once phone B was taken into evidence by the police, and after she was released before being charged, she wiped this one remotely by doing a full factory reset.

Was she still married to Simon and just separated? Or was she divorced and there was a divorce settlement in which case she wouldn’t necessarily inherit from him. I’d love to know if he changed his will and whether he made direct provision for the children and not Erin.

I thought I read that alternative verdicts couldn’t be put on the table once the trail has started.🤔

They are still married.

Thanks - I’m fairly sure that they are not allowed in the US at all but Australia seems much more similar to our system.

Between this and P Diddy it’s a miracle that I
am having any other life at all. 😬

Who knows, she’s nuts, but calculating too. Maybe the spare portion that became the kids’ leftovers was Simon’s and was uncontaminated with DC mushies.

Same in UK murder, but a judge can exercise discretion and offer a 11-1 or 10-2 majority if the jury deliberations are very lengthy.

podcasts are now my thing too, but not the P Diddy one, he’s so vile!

In UK it always starts off an unanimous by after a certain period has elapsed the judge can give a majority direction and accept 11-1 or 10-2.

Diddy is vile and I am pretty sure that his behaviour has been a lot more extensive than we know but the legal perspective has been really interesting.

Just finished Season 1 of In the Dark and have started Season 2. The Truth About Adnan Syed is really good if you haven’t listened to that yet. As is Sh*t Town

I’ve made duxelles before, she would just need to make it normally, separate some for her portion, then put the powdered DC into the remaining duxelles for the victims. She’s pretending to be a forgetful, ditzy, food obsessed victim in all this when she’s actually a sly and calculating killer.

Anyway, the biggest crime is a culinary one, how dare she make pasties at all! That’s not Beef Wellington which is made from a whole beef fillet (btw BW would be my final death row meal)! It’s like putting pineapple on pizza. 🤣

And the insta-gravy…..

Yes, my point was that she acted like she knew it wasn’t contaminated in feeding it to her DC the day afterwards; if you found out you’d accidentally made a group of people ill including yourself with a meal, would you fed your DC the unused portion? They didn’t know it was DCM at that point, it could have been the meat that was the issue. But she was confident enough to feed them that spare portion of meat.

Yes, too many constructed lies to refute the evidence, got an answer for everything, thinks she’s cleverer than us. She’s a sly and manipulative killer.

If she gets off, I wonder if Simon’s remaining family will pursue a Civil Prosecution? Bit like OJ Simpson.

I think whatever ‘leftovers’ she fed the kids, she knew very well had not been anywhere near the mushrooms. Certainly in terms of what was served, it was only really her portion which wasn’t mostly if not completely eaten. One of the others didn’t eat much but theirs portion was finished by one of the men and there was meat contaiminated with mushrooms found in the bin.

Am I right in thinking that when she fed the kids the ‘leftovers’, that she already knew the others were seriously ill in hospital? Because if that’s the case, that’s the smoking gun, surely. If she genuinely had no idea which part of the meal caused them to be ill, there’s no way she would have risked giving her kids any of it at all.

The gravy did it for me - why use packet when you’re fussing over duxelles? Guilty as sin, innit.

Omg I’d never thought of it from that angle…. 🤯 Of course!

Yes that’s what I said in a post on here last week - she knew they were ill, claimed to be ill herself, and they didn’t find out till the day after she fed them the leftovers that it was DCM poisoning - so it could have been any part of the meal, including the meat. She somehow knew that the meat she fed them was ok…

She somehow knew that the meat she fed them was ok…

Well, she did buy 10 beef eye fillets... I don't believe for a minute she removed the meat she fed the children from any duxelle or pastry, or "scraped the duxelle off" as she says. At the point of the evening meal on Sunday she knew her four lunch guests were all very ill in hospital - and at that point the doctors suspected food poisoning caused by the meat. Under no circumstances would anyone faintly normal serve their children the same meal, or even the meat bought at the same time as the meat used in the poisonous meal - especially when they themselves are claiming to have terrible diarrhea!

She is a compulsive, self-persuading, and shit liar.

isnt she saying she herself was ill already by saturday night/sunday morning