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Could Aus be for us?

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SoCalLiving · 02/01/2024 23:59

Hi! I'm looking for advice regarding a potential move in a few years time. We currently live in California but DP and I's visas are up in a few years and whilst we might be able to renew them we're not 100% certain it'll happen. I'd like some plans in place in case that doesn't happen. DP and I met in London and moved to the US several years ago and whilst I have a love hate relationship with Los Angeles, where we live, we do overall love our life in California. if we can't stay here I'd like to consider moving to other countries that offer similar lifestyles to what we have here.

Things we like about California:

  • The weather - it's blue skies all year, warm summers, mild winters,
  • The beach - we live 10 mins from the beach and go often, it's my happy place
  • Higher pay than the UK (significantly!)
  • Larger houses/apartments (LA is very $$$$ but the space we have even in an apartment is insane compared to where we lived in London. Our closet is bigger than the box room my partner once rented in London as a student)!!!
  • That it's not England with its depressing weather, politics,
  • Lots of nature/outdoors things to do e.g. hiking in the desert and the mountains

Realistically I'd never really considered Australia before now. It always seemed very out of the way and I always like being in a major city where things are happening. But some of DP's family members are now there and enjoying it, and I'm starting to see the appeal it might have. I'm wondering now whether we should try it for a few years if we leave California, and then reassess, but it seems like such a massive plunge to take!!

Things I worry about with Australia:

  • It's out of the way geographically
  • There's not much to do
  • Distance from family - we already live 5000 miles away and an 11 hour flight, but we still manage to see family in Europe twice a year. Adding on another 5000 miles and I doubt we'll get to see them even once a year?! - What's holiday time like? Is it decent?
  • Lad culture ingrained in society

I'm basically asking for people's opinions on my worries about moving there, but also whether we'd potentially like living there given what we love about living in California.

OP posts:
Cormoran · 05/01/2024 19:27

TheSandgroper · 05/01/2024 07:24

LHR-AU is 17 hours.

Perth is 17 hours from London, not Sydney.

Sybila · 05/01/2024 19:42

TheSandgroper · 05/01/2024 07:37

@SoCalLiving Going by your name, you say you like the SocCal climate. Most of the posters on here are talking about Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane.

That is NOT SoCal climate. Perth IS. We have blue skies all year. Yes, we have winter for about six weeks but even if you want to go to an event, it is more likely to be dry. We have beaches. And more beaches. And more beaches.

We are closer to Europe with a number of non stop destinations, closer to Asia, we have art and culture, we have nature and adventure. If you want it, it is here.

Perth is bloody amazing. Fremantle is how I imagine LA to have been a million years ago when it was actually nice 🤣

marshmallowburn · 31/01/2024 10:30

Cormoran · 05/01/2024 02:44

Plenty of sunshine and beaches in the Mediterranean region, I would even go as far as saying you get far more sunshine in Italy, South of France, Spain and Greece.
We had three insanely wet years with La Niña and even this year, Christmas New Year was pretty wet and still is. Very cloudy again today, and it has been far too windy lately to be pleasant to be on the beach.

The downside for me is the distance. Not only for the price of flights but also the amount of time it takes you to go anywhere. Unless your final destination is a major city with an intercontinental airport, you might have to take 3 flights.
Since COVID, every time I have been back to Europe, shit happened, be it losing luggage, leg cancelled, flight diverted, which all take time to fix.

You can't really move on impulse. There is a nice exhibition at Palazzo Ducale in Venice? pop in a plane from anywhere in Europe, and go and spend the weekend in Venice.

I am not sure I share the view of those saying there is great access to culture. There is very little if one wants to do something even weekend, especially museums wise. The visiting exhibitions are often extremely tiny and compacted in a very small space which steals some of their value.

Music, yes, we get artists but no way as much as Europe or USA. The opera calendar has been on repeat, and theatre wise, the Sydney Theatre Company is great, the Biennale is cool as well.

Most people however are not into arts in any way or form. They go to work during the week, take the kids to soccer or nippers in the weekend, then maybe have a BBQ and a beer. I guess this is what you mean with lad culture?

Plenty of bush walking if this is something you are into. There are many National parks.
Skiing is crap compared to the Alps and Dolomites. Most people go to New Zealand or Japan.

The beaches are pretty. I live on the Northern Beaches and can walk to the beach. Houses come in every size, from huge mansions to small townhouses. Pretty expensive at every level.

The knowledge about general culture, geography, international affairs is shockingly low. Even recent history. Geography at school is a lot focused on agriculture, soil, water more than studying the world countries, capitals, rivers and mountains.

Health is another surprising one. Following my husband through his postings we have used several health systems and the Australian one is not great, or it is great if you are either very healthy or very sick. Private health insurance here doesn't cover specialist visits or exam such as MRI, Ultra sound and so on. It covers hospital stays, and might include partial private surgery (the fund will reimburse what Medicare would have paid) , so specialist visits are quite expensive. Here you do not see an Ob/GYN for yearly checks, or other specialties for preventative screenings and medicine. You pay for PCP, even if you can still find some free doctors,(called bulk billing) z but most are dreadful, so I'd rather pay the 50$ gap and see a regular.
Private funds will cover for dental or glasses and partially other things such as physio, but no way worth what you would get for the same amount of private even in UK.
If you have/want kids, no paediatrician, unless they are very sick or have a disorder.

Elective surgeries have sky high waiting lists even for very essential ones, unless you go private with several thousands out of pocket expenses.

I come from Monaco, where there is plenty of sun and beaches. For nature, I have to step into France or Italy, but salaries are quite high.

Australia is pretty, but also pretty boring if you are not nature crazy. Very quiet and laid back life which suits many.

And bloody hell, do people go to bed early here!!!!

I've never known anyone to visit an ob/gyn yearly . Is that a thing? In Australia you can have a free pap test every 3-5 years. Why are you going otherwise .I mean if you have problems sure , but why else?

LovelaceBiggWither · 01/02/2024 04:45

Paeds don't do routine care here, it's the GP. It's hardly a big drama as GPs are trained to do it.

Codlingmoths · 01/02/2024 05:53

It is not really behind professionally for me, skills and talent wise it is the same, if you’re in a more complex or specialist banking area then it’s a very small pool as we don’t have the same depth of complex investment markets. My company have offices globally, im Melbourne.

I love it, and love the culture for our kids, I love having a garden and space compared to London and think there is plenty to do, although agree there is more culturally in London. But food i would say is better, as long as you earn decently that is. And I like food.

Cormoran · 04/02/2024 02:52

@marshmallowburn it is normal and part of routine health checks in France, Italy and many other countries in Europe to see an OB/Gyn yearly. They do internal checks, breast checks, talk about sexual health, any woman health concern including HRT. This might explain the lower rate of gynaecological cancers mortality compared to UK.
Also, they do pregnancies and birth.
The US in that regard are similar to France, you see specialists easily and regularly, not only when things are bad.

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