So depressed about NZ election result

LunaTheCat · 2023-10-14T13:04:27+00:00

So unfortunately NZ has voted in a hard right government. We have a new PM who hads minimised his personal beliefs, is anti abortion and anti-women. I feel utterly let down. How will we move on from this.

givemeasunnyday · 14/10/2023 19:42

I don't know, but I join you in being depressed. I just can't seem to lighten my mood, and find it so frustrating that people can be so stupid that they seem to believe a change in government is miraculously going to make life wonderful.

RudsyFarmer · 14/10/2023 19:44

It’s a result of the global movement of people I think. All the governments will start to become more right wing as a way to maintain borders and protect the land.

OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 14/10/2023 19:46

Feel free to tell me to butt out as I know precious little about the politics in NZ- but you can not say that the current administration are pro women.

MissyB1 · 14/10/2023 19:55

It might just be me but it feels like the whole world is becoming more right wing 🙁
I’m British but I do feel The NZ result is a mistake for their Country.

CallItLoneliness · 15/10/2023 06:58

I think the left needs to become actually left again. I'm disappointed but not surprised. Chris Hipkins is a whole lot of nothing as a leader, and Labour need to stop trying to appeal to racists and selfish people, and actually promote principles of equity and social justice.

It's going to be an ugly 3 years, but the left should use this time to reflect and actually float some, y'know, left wing policies.

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LunaTheCat · 15/10/2023 17:13

Thanks for the support… I agree that the whole world is moving to right and we don’t live in a vacuum. The result of Trumpism and global pandemic.
I think also a denial and fear of climate change.
I do feel that NZ election results pales in comparison to the referendum in Australia this week .

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thelittlestkiwi · 21/10/2023 07:44

Yep, I'm depressed about it too. It will directly affect my work and DH - who is in a very different field.

I think it is a backlash against the epidemic when I still believe we did the best thing for NZ. Saying that, I don't think labour understand Auckland and how we were affected.

The tax cuts for landlords and benefits changes in particular make me angry. There was so little discussion of people at the lower end of the income scale during the campaign.

EasternStandard · 21/10/2023 07:56

givemeasunnyday · 14/10/2023 19:42

I don't know, but I join you in being depressed. I just can't seem to lighten my mood, and find it so frustrating that people can be so stupid that they seem to believe a change in government is miraculously going to make life wonderful.

That sounds familiar

Part of it sounds like that natural kicking after Covid which we’re likely to see too here

But maybe a bit on global shift, although ours will be in other direction, for a while anyway

MidnightOnceMore · 21/10/2023 07:58

RudsyFarmer · 14/10/2023 19:44

It’s a result of the global movement of people I think. All the governments will start to become more right wing as a way to maintain borders and protect the land.

There's no evidence for this - Brazil, Poland, USA all recently rejected the right.

SueblueNZ · 03/11/2023 03:13

@LunaTheCat
Please provide some evidence as to how Luxon is anti-women, apart from his anti-abortion stance which is driven by his religious beliefs. In what other way has he demonstrated an anti-women position?
I have been a left leaning voter for four decades but voted blue this time as the country has been going to HELL. There isn’t a single economic metric that the labour government can be proud of, nor could they campaign on any achievements. Yes, I know, pandemic, Mosque attack, White Island, cyclones … BUT on a day-to-day basis, at all levels of society, we were going backwards and it will take many years to recover. Labour had some promising policies but they could not execute them and, in the face of extreme overborrowing and financial mismanagement, they could not back down on such policies until the writing was on the wall (when JA resigned), by which time it was just too late to recover any political integrity.
@givemeasunnyday
You’re damn right, the change in government is not going to miraculously make life wonderful. That’s because miracles will be needed to lift our standard of living, our education system, our justice stats etc etc. But I honestly could not foresee NACT causing any more damage than has occurred in the last six years. I am likely to be personally affected by some of the NACT proposed policies, but hey, many of Labour's crazy actions and inactions over the last two terms also impacted my family, friends, colleagues and neighbours.
The final count was revealed an hour ago. I'm terrified about the involvement of Winston First. What a shame an extreme clash in values between TPM and Act rules out having TPM as a supply and confidence partner.

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 03/11/2023 04:20

SueblueNZ · 03/11/2023 03:13

@LunaTheCat
Please provide some evidence as to how Luxon is anti-women, apart from his anti-abortion stance which is driven by his religious beliefs. In what other way has he demonstrated an anti-women position?
I have been a left leaning voter for four decades but voted blue this time as the country has been going to HELL. There isn’t a single economic metric that the labour government can be proud of, nor could they campaign on any achievements. Yes, I know, pandemic, Mosque attack, White Island, cyclones … BUT on a day-to-day basis, at all levels of society, we were going backwards and it will take many years to recover. Labour had some promising policies but they could not execute them and, in the face of extreme overborrowing and financial mismanagement, they could not back down on such policies until the writing was on the wall (when JA resigned), by which time it was just too late to recover any political integrity.
@givemeasunnyday
You’re damn right, the change in government is not going to miraculously make life wonderful. That’s because miracles will be needed to lift our standard of living, our education system, our justice stats etc etc. But I honestly could not foresee NACT causing any more damage than has occurred in the last six years. I am likely to be personally affected by some of the NACT proposed policies, but hey, many of Labour's crazy actions and inactions over the last two terms also impacted my family, friends, colleagues and neighbours.
The final count was revealed an hour ago. I'm terrified about the involvement of Winston First. What a shame an extreme clash in values between TPM and Act rules out having TPM as a supply and confidence partner.

Sorry, but I have lived through many changes of governments over the years and NONE of them actually made much difference to the lives of the average person. Anyone who thinks a change is going to make life wonderful is extremely naive. Our lives are shaped by what is happening globally, no one party can have much of an effect on that. I get rather tired of a particular party being blamed for all the ills of society. Incidentally, I joined a protest many years ago to save our local hospital - National was in government at the time. Other small hospitals didn't fare as well as ours. As an unemployed person for a time I would have been shaking in my boots under the incoming regime.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/11/2023 12:12

Our lives are shaped by what is happening globally, no one party can have much of an effect on that. I get rather tired of a particular party being blamed for all the ills of society.

@ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming I’m in Australia. I agree with your post. Especially the global influence. All over the world the wealth is becoming increasingly more concentrated, rich are getting richer , the middle class is disappearing and the rest are working for very low real wages. Government funded services are under pressure. Looking at NZ, Australia, UK and US it’s all looking a bit similar to me.

EmmaEmerald · 03/11/2023 12:28

Bit confused

Reports in England saying there's a coalition government to be formed, which leans to the right.....which can't really be a surprise after what's just been and gone.

CallItLoneliness · 12/11/2023 07:07

@SueblueNZ please provide evidence that NZ did economically worse than other OECD countries during the pandemic?

Also, Luxon claimed that he 'wasn't sure' that women faced significantly more online abuse than men, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, then later backtracked...I think it shows at best an ignorance of women's experiences, but more likely a willingness to ignore women's realities for political gain. Also, being anti-choice is plenty misogynist for me--he doesn't have to have an abortion if he doesn't want one, but it isn't up to him to tell ANY woman what they should do.

Slapdasherie · 28/11/2023 12:00

“Sorry, but I have lived through many changes of governments over the years and NONE of them actually made much difference to the lives of the average person. Anyone who thinks a change is going to make life wonderful is extremely naive. Our lives are shaped by what is happening globally, no one party can have much of an effect on that. I get rather tired of a particular party being blamed for all the ills of society. . . . “

Ok fine, but how do you then justify this little bit of hyperbole - “As an unemployed person for a time I would have been shaking in my boots under the incoming regime.”

Can one party not possibly have any effect, or a catastrophic one?