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Positive story from a 1:2 high-risk test

30 replies

DadTom · 05/11/2013 08:21

Hi all,

Firstly I wanted to say thanks to everyone on this forum - you are an amazing group of people. I've never been on Mumsnet but when the story below happened a few weeks ago I spent a lot of time here reading. :)

I wanted to share my story as I found stories of hope really helpful when I was here. If you are reading this and have questions please post here or send me a PM. Sorry if it is a bit long, but I wanted people who were in my position to have as much info as possible!

So...

We found out we were expected our second child (daughter is just over 2), and didn't expect any problems as we are both still 'young' (I'm 32, gf is 32) and first pregnancy was fine.

We had our NHS Nuchal scan and the measurement was just over 2.3 mm or so. However, then our blood results came back and we got categorised as 1:35 high risk. I was quite shaken but not freaking out; we wanted to avoid amniocentesis if possible and learnt about the Harmony, which lead us to the FMC and the fact they could do a more detailed scan which normally gave you a more accurate (and lower) risk assessment.

So we went to the FMC and had the Nuchal test again, but in far more detail. They process the bloods right away (less than an hour), and had amazing equipment and great Drs. Unfortunately, the NT was 3.6-3.8mm (baby not co-operating) and combined with the blood results (1:34, the PAPP-A was 3.8MoM and hGC was 0.68MoM). Furthermore, whilst the nasal bone was present, there was tricuspid regurgitation (and a possibly hole in the heart, but it was made clear to us that was inconclusive). The heart was a soft marker for DS also, and they assessed our combined risk as 1:2. However, I believe that is the highest they go with non-invasive tests, and to me it seemed quite certain.

They offered to do CVS immediately and we agreed. The procedure was done smoothly a few minutes later. My gf felt unwell and we were given a room for her to rest in which we spent an hour in with Dr coming to check on us regularly.

The CVS was on a Friday and we got the initial results on the following Tuesday (after lots of tears and spending time on Mumsnet!). We had decided, depending on severity of heart problems, we wanted to keep the baby. The poem about going to Holland was really helpful to me - it wasn't the life we'd imagined but I wanted to be positive. However, this is a very personal and difficult decision and I can absolutely understand both sides of this coin.

So the results came back clear for Downs, Edwards, Pataus and Cystic Fibrosis. In the interim my gf began to leak some fluid and off to the hospital for that - it stopped after a few days without intervention and we were told it can happen following CVS.

We now had to wait for the further karyotyping results for rarer conditions, and have our cardio scan. We went back to the FMC for the cardio scan. The specialist there spent an hour or so measuring and checking the heart and valves, keeping us informed as she went and stopping to show us our baby and print photos. She patiently asked lots of questions I had.

There was no hole evident, and she explained that heart problems can caused an increased NT (but not explain the blood results) and she'd assess our risk of a hidden major complication at 5%.

The tricuspid regurgitation was still present but she felt the valves are fine and said TR is not uncommon and she believes it will go away. We are currently at 16 weeks and have another heart scan (this time at UCLH) booked in 4 weeks time to check in. Fingers crossed.

The karyotyping came back all clear - they emailed us the results before posting so we didn't have to wait any more time! We also found out we are having a little girl.

So - we went from 1:2 high risk, with soft markers, to cautiously optimistic that we are just an outlier. I'm not sure I will truly believe it until after the birth, but considering where we were at one point.

I hope this helps someone, and if you are reading this and have questions please do ask and I'll do my best!

OP posts:
SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 05/11/2013 09:18

You both sound lovely, and how nice of you to take the time to post this. I had those odds, and a subsequent DS diagnosis, but during the waiting time your story would have helped me no end.
I agree that the "Welcome to Holland" poem is just wonderful.
I'm really pleased that everything has turned out well for you, although you sound like you'd have been all right even if it hadn't, good luck with your lovely baby girl. xxx

TKKW · 11/11/2013 21:46

thank you so much for your ost. you must have been beyond scared when you learnt of your partner's risk level and also when there was a leak after the cvs. what a stressful time. my risk is at 1:55 and im crapping it before my amnio on thursday.

how did you both cope when you heard the odds and while you waited for results over the weekend?

My risk is so much lower than your partner's but the amnio is the 1st thing I think of every day and I have made myself cry reading other's accounts of a +ve result from amnio and what decisions they made after the diagnosis confirmed the worst.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 12/11/2013 13:48

how did I cope?
I didn't! I was distraught when they told me 1 in 5 it was the longest fortnight of my life, and utterly hysterical when the Down's was confirmed.
I stayed that way for sometime.
bizarrely I'm totally the opposite now, a few weeks down the line. I cant wait to meet her.
We I decided that I could only terminate for something incompatible with life, but that doesnt help when you find out that there is something wrong.
We've 2 dcs already, but we are facing the unknown. Its damned scary. But there is so much positive support for Down's it's hard not to be optimistic.

TKKW · 12/11/2013 20:54

Yes, how did you cope Saggy and you too, Dadtom?

Ive read loads of your posts Saggy, what a brave parent you are.

Today Ive been busy busy at work, so haven't really thought about the amnio. Its on my mind now though.

Last night, was so worried about how Id cope with the sample needle going in and if Id shake and the consultant would have to re- try.

Im also worried that Im taking an unnecessary risk with an amnio.

I also know that we both need to know as I would find the wait too hard.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 12/11/2013 21:11

TK I had a cvs but it's basically the same. They lay you completely flat. If you're big breasted like me you wont be able to see anything. If you are blessed with nice small breasts, fold your arms across them. Watch the screen. Honestly it's not as horrible as it sounds. All I felt was a bit of prodding.

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 13/11/2013 00:22

Just wanted to say it has been lovely reading this post, I am currently in the long two week wait for the results of the Harmony test. I have taken great comfort from the stories of people that have had very high odds yet good outcomes. Whereas I very much hope I have a good outcome as well, I have taken a lot of hope and heart from your post saggy at the moment I move between anxiety and despair but it is lovely to read that there may be something positive beyond this if I receive not great news. Thanks for that it has helped me enormously in this most difficult, dark time! x o

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 13/11/2013 04:53

I dont deserve your praise really, Blush Im just riding the roller coaster, as someone here put it and its currently going up! Wink Really you should praise all of the lovely people on here who have held my hand, listened to me rant and told me about their wonderful children. If it wasn't for them I dont know where I'd be. xx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 13/11/2013 04:57

Everything Im crossing everything for you. xx

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 13/11/2013 14:36

Well I think your too hard on yourself, you have given me heart in a very difficult time. When is your daughter due? I wish you a healthy rest of pregnancy. I have one week gone in the wait for Harmony it seems endless but nothing else for it but to wait!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 13/11/2013 20:39

Thank you. It means a lot to know that I can pay it forward.
DD is due mid march, and so far, everything seems to be going ok.
I hope the next week goes by quickly for you and you get some good results. Did you get a high risk from your bloods? sorry if I missed that bit

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 13/11/2013 21:06

I had the Quadruple test ( that is all we get in Northern Ireland) it came back with a 1:5 risk of DS. I had the Harmony done a few days later, I was researching stuff on the internet trying to find answers and some certainty and was combing through my notes and discovered that the hospital had put the wrong gestational age for my baby, four weeks out, they said I was 20 weeks when the test was done but I was only 16, the result had to be re-calculated and the risk came back as 1:1400 (low risk) but the hospital have introduced the notion of risk and I cannot put it to bed. All by family and extended family are acting like I was told the baby was fine but I do not feel that way and cannot until the Harmony test comes back, someone has to be the 1 in 1400 so why not me? I read a post about a lady and her odds were one in 10,000 and she was the one. I am relieved my odds are better but am still anxious.

Spring is a lovely time of year to have a baby, my baby is due at the start of April!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 13/11/2013 21:25

All the best people are born in April! Wink
Of course someone needs to be that 1 in 10,000, but its odds, and they are very slim. I know how you feel though. Its natural to fear the worst. I know everyone tells you 1 in 1400 is something like 0.014% or whatever, and its miniscule, but you still worry. You just have to keep busy and occupy your mind. Fingers crossed for you. x

TKKW · 14/11/2013 21:10

hi there. i had my amnio today. not as painful as i thought but not looking forward to the next few weeks waiting out the miscarriage risk and want it to be wednesday already so we have our results. Just beyond nervous. Am I or am I not that 1 in 55? Will i be the 1 out of 100 who miscarries?

everything, i am an NI native myself.

I am so glad we have this section to talk in.
Smile.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 14/11/2013 22:14

Fingers crossed. Did they say monday afternoon for the results? its when mine came through after a thursday test.

Nessalina · 14/11/2013 22:33

That's a great story OP, really good to hear about the odds being dashed! Smile Best wishes for rest of the pregnancy sailing by!

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 14/11/2013 23:07

TKKW I get my results from the Harmony test on Wednesday as well, the wait is so long, it is such a difficult time. Nothing that anyone can say to put your mind at ease, but the odds are in your favour so take heart from that. Glad you got the Amino over I am sure that was a difficult day for you, I hope you have your feet up!

Thanks Saggy I find it hard to occupy my mind, day time is usually fine because I have two little ones to run after but the nights are the worst for me.

Fingers crossed for everyone that are having tests that they get the result they want.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 14/11/2013 23:10

I dont think my brain switched off at night for a month! Sad ;Just cut yourself some slack.

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 15/11/2013 14:13

Thanks Saggy, I am going to go to stay with my mum tonight and DH is looking after the children, mum is going to look after me and take me shopping tomorrow so I hope that helps distract me.

Hope you all have as peaceful a weekend as possible! x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 18/11/2013 21:21

How are you bearing up Everything?
Any news TKKW?

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 19/11/2013 10:02

Hi saggy thanks for thinking of me, I am getting my results tomorrow and my anxiety is through the roof. I also have my 20 week scan as well so busy day. I have found the wait endless but now as the day approaches I sort of do not what to know, but results are coming regardless. I had a lovely time at my mum's house but she does not understand why I am worried, she just said everything is fine stop been so dramatic but I cannot be sure of that, so I just never talked to her about it. Just trying to get through the until tomorrow and then deal with whatever comes and hopefully it will be good news.

Any news from anyone else?

How are you doing saggy? x o

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 19/11/2013 10:22

I dont think you will know what to do until you actually find out where you stand. I stayed home all day waiting, then had to pop out and the phone rang. I had a total melt down in my car miles from anywhere and had to drive home. Hopefully you won't be in that situation, but just stay safe in case. x crossing everything for you. xxxx

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 19/11/2013 13:13

Planning to be in all morning and have arranged for PIL to have the DC, DH has booked the day off work, we have our 20 week scan at half one so will have to go to that, I hope I get the call in the morning as I would hate to receive it when I am at the hospital but the Consultant is phoning me himself and am sure I will not be top priority for him tomorrow!
x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 19/11/2013 14:09

well fingers crossed!
Smile Smile Smile

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 19/11/2013 14:56

Thank you will let you know x o

EverthingcrossedforApril14 · 20/11/2013 11:49

Consultant emailed to say everything came back normal and low risk for all three. I am so relieved but also shocked that the nightmare is finally over. They also confirmed it is a boy, Saggy thank you so much for all your kind thoughts and positive posts, keep the post updated about the pregnancy. I would have found it intolerable to have got through the past two weeks without the positive stories on this site, so thank you x o