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AIBU to exaggerate on my cv?

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RequiresUpdating · 25/05/2023 10:44

Filling out lots of job applications recently and a couple of threads on here have got me wondering... how fluent do you have to be to list it on your cv?
I can't link the posts, but one was someone claiming to have experience with a program when in fact she'd (or he'd) used it once for about 15 minutes a few weeks previously, got the job and just winged it. Another saying people with language level B1 claim to be fluent.

I've been labelling myself as beginner (A1): Intermediate (B1) and Advanced (C1). Am I short changing myself? Should I call myself fluent and then list the date and level I did the certificate? E.g. the one where I have there certificate in B1 is IL's language so all family things on that side are mainly in that language. So I'd guess I'm above B1 but that's the highest qualification I have, from at least 10 years ago.

What about other skills like programming? If I complete a couple of weeks learn to code app (a bit like duolingo), can I list it under computer skills and assume if I get the job I'll be able to pick it up with the help of YouTube or whatever?

AIBU to up my grades on my cv?
YABU to overinflate your provable, certified qualifications.

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RequiresUpdating · 25/05/2023 12:25

Shameless bump!
(Because I'm applying for a job this afternoon)

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BattingDown · 25/05/2023 12:41

I think with languages, most people would estimate their own level rather than stick to what they’re qualified to. So I’d estimate your ability and put that level. Programming, I think that’s a bit risky unless it’s not actually a requirement of the job. What if you find it hard to pick up? I wouldn’t lie about grades, but people do. But unless you don’t have English and maths GCSEs, if you have work experience the grades won’t really matter.

Thesunnymood · 25/05/2023 12:47

I have B1 cert but I am fluent. That cert is 15 years old😂 Only time these are important is when it's specified for the job. Eg teaching or translating or communications with clients (some firms).
Everyone exaggerates on CV.
BU, and that is very important, it really shouldn't be crazy one.
Mum's work just fired someone who claimed to have advanced level in one EU language. The person did not.

Thesunnymood · 25/05/2023 12:48

What about other skills like programming? If I complete a couple of weeks learn to code app (a bit like duolingo), can I list it under computer skills and assume if I get the job I'll be able to pick it up with the help of YouTube or whatever?

That's not exaggerating, that's lying...

Hoppinggreen · 25/05/2023 12:49

With a foreign language you need to be careful, I went for an interview once where the interviewer suddenly switched to French (his 2nd language apparently). Luckily I was fine but apparently quite often it was very obvious the candidate was exaggerating their skills at best

Anotherparkingthread · 25/05/2023 12:50

I think the problem with languages is that if you lie you may end up caught out if somebody happens to speak said language. Coding is different again to being fluent with software, you might be able to wing being fluent with a specific peice of software - my partner learnt how to use some undustry specific software in his 2 weeks notice before he started at the new job for example, but you won't be able to learn to code in that time!

Nordicrain · 25/05/2023 12:51

Well I wouldn't put anything on there that you might be expected to do/ use if you can't do it.

E.g., I am a lawyer who works in multinationational organisations. I would not put down a fluency in a language I might then be asked to negotiate contracts in. Because that would be shit for me and my employer.

swanling · 25/05/2023 12:51

Ok, but what happens when they ask you to hold a business conversation in that language? Would you be able to?

I think programming skills are very different to being proficient with using a particular piece of software.

swanling · 25/05/2023 12:53

Hoppinggreen · 25/05/2023 12:49

With a foreign language you need to be careful, I went for an interview once where the interviewer suddenly switched to French (his 2nd language apparently). Luckily I was fine but apparently quite often it was very obvious the candidate was exaggerating their skills at best

Yep, definitely don't be surprised if that happens at interview.

RequiresUpdating · 25/05/2023 13:19

Ok, but what happens when they ask you to hold a business conversation in that language? Would you be able to?
Yes, in both languages. Might stumble on some technical terms but yes, interview would be no problem.

@Thesunnymood even if you don't specify the level of proficiency?

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StamppotAndGravy · 25/05/2023 13:25

Languages depend on job. I wouldn't count B1 as fluent. B2 is fluent enough for a technical or back office roll where a lot of terminology will be in English, or to deal with very occasional international clients in an emergency. If you're consulting, doing legal or writing for an external audience, you'll struggle below C2. For my technical role I describe myself as business proficient at C1 (read, good enough to get by but I'll hurt your ears! ) In my country of residence, the HR hiring person normally phones and has a chat first in the local language to check you're not lying.

For coding and software, I split mine up into expert, proficient and basic experience. Depending on the package, e.g. anything Microsoft, 15 mins is enough for basic experience!

RequiresUpdating · 25/05/2023 13:26

I've lived in places and had jobs where the "intermediate" and "advanced" languages are spoken. And one is DC's school language so all her friends, parents, teachers, doctors etc are in that language.

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Itstoolongtoretirement · 25/05/2023 13:30

I employed someone who said they were a proficient programmer in X. Paid for them to do 4 weeks course in Y (very similar). They couldn’t learn Y, asked them to write a very simple program in X and they couldn’t. They failed probation a few months later as no aptitude for programming. No logic thought. Crap 6 months for them and me. We now test at interview.

caringcarer · 25/05/2023 13:32

Don't lie about coding because they might give you a coding task to do. It's a solitary task and they'd think you were nuts if you asked for help.

DuckyDaffodil · 25/05/2023 13:36

I'm C1/2 in 5 European languages, and use them on a daily basis. Unless you can understand and be able to have a discussion on a complex subject without difficulty, then it's not a good idea to claim to be with C1 or fluent.

Thesunnymood · 25/05/2023 13:39

even if you don't specify the level of proficiency?

It's like if you put Excel and didn't specify. People assume you will know how to work it. It's not like Word or powerpoint is it.

Does the job require coding and the language? Or are you just putting it in to fill up empty space?

SleepingStandingUp · 25/05/2023 13:45

Re languages is sounds like you're proficient about the qualification level if you're using it in daily life and it's a few new technical words you'd initially stumble over. So I'd look at the criteria and work out where you are and then out something like "qualified to X1 level, proficient to X4 level"

CharlottenBurger · 25/05/2023 13:50

swanling · 25/05/2023 12:51

Ok, but what happens when they ask you to hold a business conversation in that language? Would you be able to?

I think programming skills are very different to being proficient with using a particular piece of software.

A simple coding test used in interviews where programming skills are necessary is the 'FizzBuzz' test:

Write a program, in any language you like, that prints the numbers from 1 to 100. But for multiples of three print “Fizz” instead of the number and for the multiples of five print “Buzz”. For numbers which are multiples of both three and five print “FizzBuzz”.

It's good if the candidate can produce something that works, and there is extra kudos for spotting a quick way of checking for the 'Fizzbuzz' case. My daughter did this on her Raspberry Pi when she was 14. And got the extra kudos.

RequiresUpdating · 02/06/2023 17:04

That's interesting @CharlottenBurger I think I see how to do it, but don't know the syntax. I left the coding off, changed my languages to fluent with the latest certificate and date. Applied yesterday and been offered an interview today 😱

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swanling · 03/06/2023 14:55

That's good though, isn't it?!

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