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AIBU that a lot of schools regularly have acts of violence like this take place and no one does anything [Warning - contains graphic video]

49 replies

millymog11 · 19/01/2023 17:59

mobile.twitter.com/LHolt99/status/1616054801128734727

Personally I do not think there will be any consequences for this girl who repeatedly kicks another girl in the head and is filmed doing it at school.

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Monjardin12 · 19/01/2023 18:58

That kind of attack could result in serious bodily harm. I hope the perpetrator is held to account. It should be a criminal matter.

ScreamingInfidelities · 19/01/2023 19:06

Keyansier · 19/01/2023 18:35

Are you blind? In the video she kicked her twice in the back of the skull and twice straight in the face.

Doesn't surprise me either though. Nor the half-hearted response from the teacher (I assume she was there the whole time as the attacker marched over)

If you’re going to be so rude to someone perhaps make sure you actually understand what you’re reading. The poster is saying she suffered a similar attack but was kicked in the abdomen rather than the head.

ScreamingInfidelities · 19/01/2023 19:12

TrashyPanda · 19/01/2023 18:24

It’s an absolute disgrace.

re uniform - Scottish schools are a lot less strict with uniform

Perhaps this particular school is but you can’t make sweeping statements about schools across a whole country. I’ve worked in 3 Scottish secondaries over 16 years, none of them would accept the way these pupils are dressed.

Drywhitefruitycidergin · 19/01/2023 19:21

That's absolutely terrifying to see. She could have killed her.
I can't believe that everyone else in the room just ignored it happening & the voice at the end which sounded like the teacher Intervened so late.

BearPunter · 19/01/2023 19:33

The only thing I'm shocked about with that is it took so long before anyone stepped in - the room doesn't look to be supervised. Like others have said, in my experience that would be a lengthy suspension/possible seclusion/permanent exclusion. Plus a lengthy suspension for the person who recorded it. They obviously knew that was going to happen...

It's not a common occurrence in my experience but it is the type of assault that I have witnessed more than once. And usually the perpetrator (and their parents) will have a plethora of excuses as to why they were justified in their behaviour...

EmmaEmerald · 19/01/2023 19:41

Bear what sort of excuses do people have?

I can't tell the age of the attacker but no doubt whatever charges are there to use won't be enough.

I do think some of the kids are reacting...you can see one girl shrinking into her seat. I think most kids would just keep quiet and "brace" so to speak.

Given the general insanity of everything, I wondered if it was staged, until the head kicks.

WhatNoRaisins · 19/01/2023 19:51

Not wanting to draw attention to yourself can be common in some schools which may be why people can see this sort of thing and not want to go and get a teacher. You don't know how your peers will react to you doing so and don't want trouble yourself.

I've never been a teacher but maybe that can also be true for teachers if there is a workplace bullying culture and they don't want to be accused of not being able to maintain discipline.

Obviously when you see this approach from teachers you feel even less like reporting things.

OhmygodDont · 19/01/2023 20:06

Definitely agree that in schools where this is common place you learn to make yourself invisible otherwise you are next. The boy filming is likely to actually be a friend or someone that knows she won’t touch him if everyone else is trying to basically ignore and hide away.

GoneToday · 19/01/2023 20:36

I’ve worked in several different schools and I’ve never seen anything like that level of violence.
I’ve seen (and heard about) plenty of playground fights but none that could be fatal as those kicks to the head could be. Plus the fight is always of great excitement to other students. This is a really weird and horrifying situation.

Bigweekend · 19/01/2023 20:38

What "consequences" would you like?

IME it would be very unusual for "nothing" to be done but they're rarely hung drawn and quartered.

BearPunter · 19/01/2023 20:45

EmmaEmerald · 19/01/2023 19:41

Bear what sort of excuses do people have?

I can't tell the age of the attacker but no doubt whatever charges are there to use won't be enough.

I do think some of the kids are reacting...you can see one girl shrinking into her seat. I think most kids would just keep quiet and "brace" so to speak.

Given the general insanity of everything, I wondered if it was staged, until the head kicks.

Generally of the whole 'she was chatting shit' ilk... it looks entirely unprovoked in that instance and no one else reacts so it does look like there would be some back story or one or both are well known and the others just don't want to get involved.

3WildOnes · 19/01/2023 21:02

I witnessed attacks like this when I was at school. I hope it isn't commonplace. It's absolutely horrifying.

binglebangle567 · 20/01/2023 09:16

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Coxspurplepippin · 20/01/2023 09:22

If that sort of attack occurred outside on the street the police would be called and an arrest made. The fact that it happened within a school setting and nothing appears to have been done is terrifying. The vicious perpetrator appears to be above the age of criminal responsibility.

millymog11 · 20/01/2023 10:13

Coxspurplepippin · 20/01/2023 09:22

If that sort of attack occurred outside on the street the police would be called and an arrest made. The fact that it happened within a school setting and nothing appears to have been done is terrifying. The vicious perpetrator appears to be above the age of criminal responsibility.

What Coxspurple said
Plus Nicola Surgeon won't think this type of thing happening regularly in her schools is anything of interest or anything for the police to get involved in.

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Sucessinthenewyear · 20/01/2023 17:57

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/01/2023 18:22

I left school 33 years ago and my main thought was 'no weapon and only one piling into the kid instead of a crowd?'. Well, that and 'That's really handy for the school to have video evidence as the parents/legal representatives can't deny that it happened'.

It was more the girl attacking the other pupil was in non uniform, the others around them were in school blazers and the member of staff is late to react and doesn’t sound worried.

FourTeaFallOut · 20/01/2023 18:01

Jesus, I went to a rough as balls school and even the most feral of shits had the good grace not to kick people in the face when they were down.

keiratwiceknightly · 20/01/2023 18:08

I witnessed and broke up an attack like that - it actually escalated into 4 y11 boys all kicking and punching one boy who was on the floor. It was terrifying - thankfully the lad was ok.

All the boys were permanently excluded. The police were involved but I don't think it came to court in the end.

So, IME this kind of violence is rare and appropriately dealt with. And I work in a tough school.

Xrays · 20/01/2023 18:13

I can’t stand to watch the clip to be honest so I’m going by what I’ve read… I was at a very rough school in Brixton in the 90s and there was violence on an almost daily basis. It was scary. The teachers were (understandably) scared. Girls used to carry flip knives or whatever they’re called tucked into their knee high socks. Many a time I’d be walking down the corridors and a huge fight would break out in front of us. We got to the point we’d just turn round, carry on chatting and walk the other way to get to class. It was so commonplace. I think it’s very area dependent to be honest and always has been.

IwishIwasSupermum · 20/01/2023 18:19

This is exactly why we withdrew our DD from her previous school, threats of physical abuse which was going to filmed and put on social media. Apparently we were ‘over reacting’ to the threats. A few months later 2 videos were circulating of girls getting beaten up, pulled down by their hair and kicked in the face by the same girl gang that threatened my DD. Makes my blood run cold, my DD could have been that girl getting beaten up. Poor girl, I hope her parents action. I should have taken action but at the time I was only interested in keeping my DD safe and sorting out a new school asap for her. I wish I’d taken action, might have saved the poor souls they attacked.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 20/01/2023 18:30

exLtEveDallas · 19/01/2023 18:52

Saw it on Twitter earlier by someone trying to get NS attention. It’s pretty horrific. I honestly think that girl needs a charge of GBH against her - kicking someone in the head like that could kill them.

I’d also charge the lad (sounds like a lad) filming it.

I find it pretty depressing that nobody came to her aid, not one of the other kids or the teacher. Shameful.

Nobody wants to make themselves a target. I helped out a friend of a friend who was being bullied, ended up being bullied myself. Teachers didn't give a shit that he brought a knife and other weapons to school, more interested in the fact that he'd damaged school property. Doing the right thing comes at a high cost sometimes.

He'd also try and set girls hair on fire as well, targeting those who obviously had product on their hair. Miracle nobody got hurt. Used a lighter and aerosol to make a 'flame thrower'. Was known to the police. But he was just allowed to headbutt and punch and threaten his way through school.

Keyansier · 20/01/2023 19:09

ScreamingInfidelities · 19/01/2023 19:06

If you’re going to be so rude to someone perhaps make sure you actually understand what you’re reading. The poster is saying she suffered a similar attack but was kicked in the abdomen rather than the head.

I wasn't being rude - I was just incredulous that someone (I thought) was claiming she wasn't being kicked in the head when she clearly was. I'm sorry @WhatNoRaisins I misread what you wrote.

Keyansier · 20/01/2023 19:09

^Not misread, misunderstood.

marrymeadam · 20/01/2023 20:22

My daughter was attacked and punched in the face. It was videoed and you can hear her head bang off a brick wall. The school excluded the girl god a bit but that was it. They wouldn't call the police, said we had to

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