To baulk at the phrase 'achieve economic well-being' in the 'Every Child Matters' 5 outcomes?

[Druzhok]

WTF? I spotted this in an OFTSED report.

Dh (a teacher) tells me that the 5th of the Every Child Matters outcomes is to ensure that children and young people are supported to achieve economic well-being.

Or, as I read it, groomed to be little corporate drones.

Economic wellbeing! I don't like it at all!

The other 4, by the way, are:

?be healthy
?stay safe
?enjoy and achieve
?make a positive contribution

They ^ all seem great.

Economic wellbeing!!! I keep muttering it to myself and getting cross

YABU, that is so important for kids to learn, IMO.

I think healthy eating and drinking campaigns are frequently fairly useless in the face of libertarian policies on sale and promotion of alcohol and food, but nonetheless I think that schools absolutely should teach the skills to judge these things.

I'd also agree that certainly the healthy eating work I've seen ds do in primary school is worse than useless and I'd like the NC/ECM to change to improve this. I fear that the 'increased flexibility' that is coming is more likely to be about allowing corporations to produce more sponsored material for schools, rather than lengthening the school day to allow for more sports, for example. I hope I'm wrong.

i don't think it's prescriptive to encourage children to understand the financial benefits of working and budgeting.

litchick, you seem to be saying that the state has no responsibility to the tens of millions of children not directly under its care.

The point about tje ECM agenda is that it lays out what our children need and deserve and is clear that tje vast majority of children will have these needs met by universal services and of course their families.

What it does for those other children that services have traditionally neglected is ensure that if they are likely not going to or end up NEETs, then there should be an appropriate intervention to change this.

There's a good reason why tje Tories hate this, it's all about promoting equality.

fellationelson - certainly the entire care system needs overhauling. It doesn't work as it stands and lets down swathes of children.

Chand - I never once said the state didn't have duty to all children. it is the level of intervention needed that differs.

Sorry, phone is a pain. Should read 'likely not to achieve'. The Common Assessment Framework should underpin meeting the child or young person's needs and I think this is crucial for ensuring that needs ( met and unmet ) are recorded.

Litchick, children in care are my concern too, but the other highly vulnerable children are on tje fringes as you know and I think this changed way of working can only benefit them.

Haven't read the whole thread and don't really know much about Every Child Matters (I'm in Scotland - but it does seem to have similarities with our "Curriculum for Excellence"), but surely it shouldn't cost much purely to incorporate as a principle into the way people are taught.

For example, when teaching maths - addition and subtraction in the early years, spreadsheets later, financial budgeting can be taught as part of that process. It's a good practical way for people a) to learn maths and b) to see how it can be applied.

It can then be transferred acorss to geography and/or social studies and/or politics as an exploration of what happens when you don't budget correctly - impacts on neighborhoods etc

I haven't had time to read this thread, but unless you read the whole document you are talking out of your arse.

We work towards the 5 outcomes at work every day working with young people.

Everyone who works with young people does.

It means being fed and clothed, not driving a fancy car.

You people not being arsed to read the thread before shooting me down in flames: you're missing out on a great read and my gracious (I quote) change of tack

Sorry - can't read whole threads at work you see. hope I didn't flame you though!

The 5 outcomes (enjoy and achieve, staying safe, being healthy,making a positive contribution and economic wellbeing aren't a prescriptive set of rules.

For example:
Economic well being can be things that are done to help the transition into independance, for example helping someone get into college or helping a young homeless person find accomadation. It could be about presentation skills helping someone to do a powerpoint presentation or help them with interview techniques.

Enjoy and achieve covers things like finding solutions, taking a lead, responsibility and caring. In other words allowing a young person to develop in a safe enviroment with support.

Being Healthy isn't neccesary about having 5 a day or keeping off fags but it could be about trying something neew or feeling good about yourself.

Can I add I'm not a teacher or a carer but I do work full time with young people aged 11 - 19.

Don't they just mean knowing not to max out on a credit card and to treat banks with the caution they deserve. And to know how to earn enough to provide for themselves. Not necessarily climb the greasy pole just get by with minimum stress.

It's a stupid phrase though.

KathyJelly
NOOOOOOOOO it doesn't mean that they don't max out on credit cards! Have you not read anything that I have posted?

Can I point out that I am not a teacher or carer but work full time with young people aged 11- 19.