to ba annoyed with the Africans and there trumpets

[Jasonthunderpants]

The fans blowing the trumpets spoilt the game.It was nothing but a constant din. In the end i turned the sound off and listened to easy music
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MRS jasonthunderpants wasn't to pleased either

What about respecting the home nation's football traditions?

It's one World Cup. It's in South Africa. South Africans use the vuvuzela.

FGS, why do people love to moan?

MayorQ, if you look at spectators you'll see that all kinds of supporters are blowing them. It's not simply a bunch of mad South Africans intent on ruining the experience for everyone else. Yes, they're a pain but I'd rather the vvs than the whining.

Resistance is futile. Just give in now and in a month you'll be saying 'what buzzing noise?' Viva the vuvuzela!

Pmsl at '11 deaf men'. And noisy oysters.

Respect is a two-way street though. It's a global event being hosted by south africa, surely they could also show some compromise and respect towards the numerous nations which are their guests who are saying they are impacting negatively on their world cup experience. As I said I don't think they should be banned, they've been part of football in south africa for about 10 years now, but surely they could show some respect for the other countries competing by not using them outside the teams hotels late at night and early in the mornings so that they could rest and prepare properly for games. And by not using them for periods during games which their teams are not involved in to give the nations who are competing in that match to showcase their own football culture and show support for their teams.
I don't see why the respect for football traditions should only flow towards the south africans in this case, surely if they want their traditions to be respected then they should show respect for other countries traditions which don't revolve around vuvuzelas for 90 minutes during the game but chanting,singing,cheering and bands.
And it's not a case of loving to moan, I'd imagine this is the first world cup where I've had anything to moan about, but the world cup comes once every 4 years and it's only 4 days in and already this one has been managed poorly by all accounts.
As I've said all along I don't think they should be banned, me disliking something is never a basis for it to be banned, but when the players start saying that it is having a negative effect on their performances I think it needs to be looked at to see if their is a compromise or middle-ground which would appease the players and other supporters but not infringe on the south africans enjoyment and support of tournamnet.
How will the South Africans feel if this leads to future host nations to ban them from games or if the broadcasters complain so much that FIFA ban them in World Cup matches and South Africa are competing? Will they simply accept that because it is in a different country they have no say and should accept that they can't support their team in the way they want as they expect every other nation to do in this tournament? or would they argue that this is an unecessary infringment on their support and seek out a reasonable compromise?

I think it is a ridiculous storm in a teacup. True football fans are watching the football, not whingeing about a few horns.

Oh and TBH I'm not constantly whining about them either and agree those who are still constantly whining about them are a pain(just get on with it etc.), I normally just knock off the sound and listen to the newstalk reports or the radio 5 interactive on BBC red button. But this is a thread specifically about them so where better to discuss their pros and cons.

What has France got to do with anything? Surely not yet another cultural booboo ?

"True football fans are watching the football, not whingeing about a few horns"

What about the players complaining then? Are they not true players because they are being put off by them and complaining?
What about fans who have been saying this was innevitable after watching the confederations cup, I doubt anyone bar true football fans or fans of the nations involved in that tournament would have bothered watching it so they must have more thasn a passing interest in the game.
And true if it's a game your team is involved in you won't notice them, but if you are a neutral watching Slovenia v Algeria or Japan v Cameroon at the moment then you need all the incentive you can get to become gripped by a game because the standard is poor and the horns do work against you in those cases.

'only 4 days in and already this one has been managed poorly by all accounts.'

Funny, I was thinking that it seemed quite well managed and looked like the locals were really enjoying the experience.

Perhaps an exaggeration on your part, MQ?

Furthermore, where do Engerlund fans get off singing Rule Britania, or the team using God Save The Queen, as their national anthem? Britain, last time I looked, consisted of two nations, England and Scotland, one principality, Wales, and a province, Northern Ireland.Therefore, NEITHER is appropriate for the English fans/ team to use. Why not dig deep, VERY deep, into their own culture, (they must have one surely to God), and find something of their own to chant.

"Funny, I was thinking that it seemed quite well managed and looked like the locals were really enjoying the experience."

Aside from this vuvuzela argument which has been criticised by players as affecting their performance (wouldn't be an issue if the football had been good but it's been so poor so far that people will see the vuvuzelas as a contributing factor rather than just an excuse by the players for poor performance.)
there have been:
empty stadiums and ticket allocation problems www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/7823418/World-Cup-2010-Fifa-investigate-empty-seat s-at-sold-out-matches.html

journalists robbed at gun point www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/09/world-cup-journalists-robbed-gunpoint
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/teams/south-africa/7816629/World-Cup-2010-Chinese- journalists-robbed-after-World-Cup-interviews.html

Controversy over the official ball which has been criticised by pretty much every player especially keepers ( although this is a feature of most world cups)
upcoming.current.com/search?q=World+Cup+2010%3A+Spain+players+rubbish+official+ball+as+%27too+fast%2 7

And of course the criticisms of the South African government eviction of its own citizens in shanty towns to make the cities more appealing to tourists.

As I said earlier good football would probably make most people over-look these factors and say they could happen anywhere (although I don't remember ever seeing empty stadiums at a world cup before) so they are unlucky in that sense as the quality is something they have no control over really, but as it stands these things are happening in South Africa and not anywhere else and they are being criticised for their managment of them.

so can we have a call for the banning of the playing of the great escape by the england "band" (and I use the term loosely).?

don't see how you can ban the playing of the vuvuzela's outside of the player hotels, and tbh I would bet money that a lot of those are being played by the fans of whichever country's players are staying in the hotels where the instruments are being played.

MQ is right in that there have been a lot of issues surrounding this tournament. Security was sadly always going to be an issue tbh, and there have been comments around the security in the stadiums ie fans running on to the pitch in one game (can't remember which), they were good-natured but if they hadn't been...

One of the issues re the ticket allocation though also had to do with the fact that the airlines have hiked up their prices so much that even if people could afford a ticket, they couldn't afford the airfair to get them there.

The witching hour here.

The complaints you mention are reasonably well known and so I was pleased to observe the things that are working well: for example the public transport overhaul, managing separate matches over quite a large country.

I think that there will always be commerical exploitation around large events like this, but it's a shame to say that the whole thing is poorly managed. Still seems like an exaggeration to me. I suppose I prefer to focus on the positive.

Anyway, back to the vvs...

"fans running on to the pitch in one game (can't remember which), they were good-natured but if they hadn't been... "
I think that was before Slovenia v Algeria yesterday, couldn't tell you which set of it was but they were thankfully in a celebratory mood.

No it is rather annoying. The World Cup officials are trying to get them banned.

I find it hilarious that everyone is so upset about the noise on their TV screens. It's a buzz that represents how the game is going at any given moment. And it's definitely NOT just South Africans playing them - when you're standing in a packed stadium overwhelmingly excited it doesn't matter what team you support, the chance to blow a loud noisy horn is irrestible.

"respect other nations' football traditions". Honestly, that's ridiculous. The tournemont is in South Africa. It's a noisy, chaotic country. We sing and dance and scream when we are excited - Africans don't sit meekly and quietly and politely. You show you're engaged and having a good time by getting involved, by singing, by dancing and, as it turns out, by blowing a vuvuzela. I honestly think those who are getting upset are taking it too seriously. I've been amazed to see how at every single game, no matter who is playing, there are thousands of south african fans - just there to watch the game they love and to support those teams who might not have stadium-filling fans in town. It's big hearted and generous and it makes me proud to be South African.

And I'll take the noise over the vuvuzela over the disgusting chanting you hear at English games anyday.

Think I prefer the sound of the vuvuzelas to Mick McCarthy's commentating.

Am a big footie fan but have the TV on very very quietly to reduce the drone effect.

Entirely up to the SAs how they manage the tournament (the stadia look great) but can imagine those who have invested ££££ - the broadcast teams & sponsors particularly - are gnashing their teeth at all the muted TVs across the lands!

i hate bloody football!! what happened at the algerian game? i put it only briefly coz ds daddy is algerian and watched a player get sent off (wasnt surprised as exh could get sent off an empty pitch!) should be interesting friday though when england thrash play algeria!

Plenty of anti English comments in this thread.
You are defending Africas culture and taking the piss out of English culture.

These trumpets are very annoying.Football is about fans singing and chearing on their teams not just an annoying din.These things add nothing to the atmosphere to the game and what about all the other teams who bring following musicians?

Anyway problen solved
1 watch matches on ITV, and put 5 live on the wireless
2 watch on BBC digital channel with the commentry from 5 live
At least the radio commentry isnt to bad

so jason 4 kids under 2? FUCK

"Why not dig deep, VERY deep, into their own culture, (they must have one surely to God), and find something of their own to chant."

Oh God (rolls eyes) another chippy Celt.

fifa have said they won't be banning them. ha.

"Football is about fans singing and chearing on their teams not just an annoying din." And here was me thinking that football had something to do with a couple of teams of eleven players each kicking a ball about a pitch trying to score goals.

Sorry about the mis-comunication. It was meant to read a 4 and a 2 year old not 4 two year old. Bloody hell if that was the case I would be compleatly insane now and not just mildly bonkers.
About African culter,I am sure blowing noisey horns at football matches goes back a long way and is an important part of South African culter.
Unless I am missing something and this practise was banned under apartide and is only just making a comeback

Jason, I am relieved to hear it. I can't even deal with a 4 & a 0 yearold

hoorraaaay I have got 100 posts.
If I had a trumpet I would blow it

101, ha. Did not know this was a competition JTP, you are a naughty football supporter